Those guys were Grand Masters?
Wow that sucked.
Originally posted by Christopher M
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There was actually an article in I think JAMA that put the five xingyi strikes side by side with the comparable boxing strikes. I dunno if it’s online anywhere… [/B]
please find it!
I think I remember that article - someone posted a link here a while back.
Originally posted by Kung Lek
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It really is a poor showing by both isn’t it? It’s too bad. It should’nt have been posted as an example of a kungfu fight. It should’ve been posted as an example of a bad kungfu fight restricted by local laws and rules. lol.
cheers [/B]
There were local laws stating that the hands had to be kept by the waist when not in use and punches thrown without use of the waist? 
Heh, heh. No. Actually the rules disallowed kicks, throws, takedowns, knees, elbows & striking below the waist. Basically a kung fu match fought with boxing rules. Also this was the early 50s. Freesparring in general and full contact sparring in particular were seldom practiced by Traditional Chinese MA practitioners of the time. This was very likely the first time Wu Gong Yee had ever fought in any freestyle manner (as opposed to 2-person drills and push hands). As for Chan Hak Fu, yes the Tibetan White Crane system (as I’ve witnessed in various demos) has a number of “guard” positions where the hands are held low. Nonetheless the lack of full contact sparring experience was very evident. I have to give them both points for having the guts to fight a full contact bare knuckle match though, they both showed fighting spirit even if they didn’t show very good technique (Wu Gong Yee was in his 50s at the time and accepted the challenge of a much younger opponent. Chan Hak Fu, for his part, had the balls to challenge a known “grandmaster” when that title was enough to deter most challengers.).
"Freesparring in general and full contact sparring in particular were seldom practiced by Traditional Chinese MA practitioners of the time. "
Not true. I’m not going to bother with this. it s a non-issue.
This clip was circulated 15 years ago and was panned openly by the CMA community.
Hey Abel. Don’t take off so quickly. If I’m mistaken about something, I’d like to get the details. Which CMA schools were known for full contact sparring in the early 50s (I’m referring to sparring in training, not fighting leitai or challenge matches)? I’m not saying no one did so, I’m just saying that across-the-board it wasn’t a standard practice in most Kung Fu schools (or so I’ve always been given to understand).
“the rules disallowed kicks”
There are kicks in the clip. Lame ones, to be sure, but they are there.
So WTF are you talking about?
Originally posted by cerebus
This was very likely the first time Wu Gong Yee had ever fought in any freestyle manner (as opposed to 2-person drills and push hands).
How can one be a grandmaster without ever even fighting?
Hello CSN, a good day to you too. Yes there are kicks in the match, no they were not allowed. Seems that when a couple guys without alot of experience fighting challenge matches have a go at each other, they occasionally get carried away and forget they aren’t supposed to do something. There apparently was some discussion about the rules violation afterwards but it didn’t really amount to much. That’s WTF I’m talking about. 
“How can one be a grandmaster without ever even fighting?”
The lineage is passed down from the father to the son, that’s how. And I’m not guaranteeing that he had never fought before, just that in many years of MA research (I like MA history ) I’ve never heard of him having fought any matches previous to this one and none of the known Wu Tai Chi training methods that I’ve been able to find out about mention anything about freesparring. Later.
Well, nothing I saw there amounted to much, so at least it’s consistent in that way.
No arguments here.
Ok, first of all, there should be a law against making video clips where you can’t control the position of the clip with the scroll bar. I hate not being able to control where it is, not being able to replay part of it, or having to sit through the whole thing if I just want to see part of it in the middle. Boooooo.
Second of all, that one guy really likes the “hammer strike” doesn’t he? I call it the “hammer strike” cuz it looks like he’s hammering something. He brings his hand way band and then smashes downward with it.
Thirdly, why’d they keep their hands by their sides?
Fourth, what’s up with that two handed overhead strike the one guy lead with?
It’s cool if the one guy was in his 50’s, but I think a boxer would have taken both of them at the same time.
So do I . This clip makes you question whoever said 1 persom can’t beat 2:D
It’s really cool to throw punches that miss by one foot or more.
Heh, heh, yeah it looks funny to us watching safely from our computer screens but…how many bare knuckle challenge matches have YOU fought recently?
I’d fight both of them. At the same time.
=)
Uh huh.