Any of you guys seen this? I’m thinking about their May event. Looks like a step in the right direction for our sport.
Quick question: if you’ve done two san shou tournaments, and had 5 one round fights with a 3 min round…does that mean you do the A Class?
I have such mixed feelings about this, but considering san da is so stagnant, maybe we should go?
[QUOTE=WinterPalm;988083] Looks like a step in the right direction for our sport.[/QUOTE]glad to see people see it’s simply a sport. 
[QUOTE=uki;988125]glad to see people see it’s simply a sport. :p[/QUOTE]
It’s never been touted as anything more than that.
I’m going to check it out. I can’t find any competition in this style in Winnipeg.
And yeah, it is a sport…kung fu has a lot too it and part of it is the sport: Sanda is the sport.
suntzu was asking me about this
from the website, some of the gyms involved are a little questionable given what i’ve seen of their programs, even moreso given that they don’t have any fighters listed on the site.
on the other hand, if it gets more events going, great.
my biggest issue is that this stuff is waaaay too regional.
if you don’t live in cali, florida, or the northeast coast (ny, dc), you’re probably out of luck.
i guess texas was making an attempt, but it didn’t really seem to be run all that well.
it’d be nice if this was enough of a grass roots movement to help at least one rep from each state/region to work with other gyms & legislative bodies (athletic commissions, etc) in the area to put on regular events.
asking people to spend hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of dollars out of their own pocket to travel long distances to compete isn’t really good for the longevity of the sport.
I doubt anybody will be able to keep that up for any length of time, especially in the current economy.
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;988309]suntzu was asking me about this
from the website, some of the gyms involved are a little questionable given what i’ve seen of their programs, even moreso given that they don’t have any fighters listed on the site.
on the other hand, if it gets more events going, great.
my biggest issue is that this stuff is waaaay too regional.
if you don’t live in cali, florida, or the northeast coast (ny, dc), you’re probably out of luck.
i guess texas was making an attempt, but it didn’t really seem to be run all that well.
it’d be nice if this was enough of a grass roots movement to help at least one rep from each state/region to work with other gyms & legislative bodies (athletic commissions, etc) in the area to put on regular events.
asking people to spend hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of dollars out of their own pocket to travel long distances to compete isn’t really good for the longevity of the sport.
I doubt anybody will be able to keep that up for any length of time, especially in the current economy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah man. It’s expensive but the road trip is fun…plus no mortgage and no kids.
Good excuse to go the Bahamas…
Ron Davenport posts here (Citong Shifu). Maybe he’ll chime in…
Personally, I’m not going to ask my students to shell out for a trip just to fight some C level traditional guys, but at least they aren’t asking the fighters to pay entry fees (pointing the finger at you, Taiji Legacy!).
So the competition level won’t be very good? Aren’t there quite a few good San Da/San Shou programs in the US that would go to this? Seems like a good idea for an event.
if good fighters dont show up, then ya the competition wont be grade a. get enough good fighters showing up and you got your higher level competition right there.
the chicken or the egg?
its got to be attractive enough to attract the good fighters imo.
the best way to get something like this going well is to get a rich person to put it all up and have nice purses and attract ALL the fighters like flies to shizzat.
if i was rich i would totally do it.
Genes rich right?
haha
that won’t work, because getting fighters to go pro in san shou is kinda like pulling teeth.
Look at Max Chen (sorry to sell you out buddy), dude’s got like 1000 amateur fights.
their reason for not going is simple though, there are even fewer opportunities for pro sanshou fighters to get fights than there are for amateur fighters.
what if i was really really rich and made the top purse really really big?
Being a C Level Traditional guy I’ll have fun and maybe learn something. Hopefully some B Level guys show up to show me a thing or two!
[QUOTE=WinterPalm;988720]Being a C Level Traditional guy I’ll have fun and maybe learn something. Hopefully some B Level guys show up to show me a thing or two![/QUOTE]
dun worry he wasn’t calling u c level
he was talking about that other tournament
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;988779]dun worry he wasn’t calling u c level
he was talking about that other tournament[/QUOTE]
Oh I wasn’t taking offense or assuming that. Just trying to have a little fun…but my competition level has been silver and gold at the Tiger Balms in Vancouver with one TKO. They were tough fights and I felt the 2nd go around was some well rounded fighters but how does one know where they belong? I don’ train with any pro fighters…either way, if money permits, I’ll do this and see what happens…
There are some fighters that you can tell don’t come from full time fight training programs; it’s extremely obvious. You’ve probably seen some of them yourself, like the occasional guy who shows up to fight sanshou in a frog-button, cotton kung fu outfit; or the guy that’s sporting dipped foam & worn out old Century gloves instead of decent equipment. Not to put them down, because they got the ballz to get up there and try, but they tend to be a different caliber of fighter than the guys that do it day in, day out. I think that’s all MK’s pointing out.
In the states the top of the food chain in san shou came from certain gyms. There were other guys who could hang & bang with them, sometimes they were from gyms related to the big ones, sometimes they were individuals from smaller un-established gyms, but it was pretty obvious that all those guys were training full time for the sport. It’s a little bit telling when certain tournaments have absolutely NOBODY involved from any of these recognized gyms (except maybe the ref) and the videos that surface of the fights aren’t to a caliber that one would normally expect from an experienced competitor coming from a full-time training program.
in other words: the competition you’re facing at the tiger balms is legit.
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;988834]There are some fighters that you can tell don’t come from full time fight training programs; it’s extremely obvious. You’ve probably seen some of them yourself, like the occasional guy who shows up to fight sanshou in a frog-button, cotton kung fu outfit; or the guy that’s sporting dipped foam & worn out old Century gloves instead of decent equipment. Not to put them down, because they got the ballz to get up there and try, but they tend to be a different caliber of fighter than the guys that do it day in, day out. I think that’s all MK’s pointing out.
In the states the top of the food chain in san shou came from certain gyms. There were other guys who could hang & bang with them, sometimes they were from gyms related to the big ones, sometimes they were individuals from smaller un-established gyms, but it was pretty obvious that all those guys were training full time for the sport. It’s a little bit telling when certain tournaments have absolutely NOBODY involved from any of these recognized gyms (except maybe the ref) and the videos that surface of the fights aren’t to a caliber that one would normally expect from an experienced competitor coming from a full-time training program.
in other words: the competition you’re facing at the tiger balms is legit.[/QUOTE]
I know exactly what you’re saying about guys training hard vs hobbists. This thing seems more hardcore than a forms tournament with 3 people doing San Shou…I guess we’ll see…and yeah, having crappy fights, even though you win, is kind of a bummer if you pay to travel to the wang of America.
World Sanda League
This question goes out to Coach Ross or any other Sanda player or coach. Recently there have been some discussions about how San Shou/Sanda is dead in the US and how there are little to no competitors or events worth attending. I found this site recently, http://www.worldsandaleague.com/fighters_all.php, and although there is a large presence outside the US, there seems to be schools involved from the US as well.
What are some thoughts on this organization, it’s events, the schools involved in it, ect. Do they actually put on sucessful events? Thanks.
You will probably never see anyone who was part of the “Big 6” getting involved in that event because the people organizing it are the same people who killed US sanshou
It’s like telling me “fuck you” and then saying “oh, but by the way, can you loan me $30?”
Others may disagree with me (Sanshou Guru are you out there?) but I PERSONALLY think those individuals have no clue what they are doing, and in fact are dangerous
I also think asking sanshou competitors to pay more, a LOT more, for a crappy event where they are always treated like no one cares about them SUCKS DONKEY BALLS
It is exactly the same reason there is no more sanshou at the Arnolds; pay more than the forms people, get no where to warm up, the coaches being asked to pay EXTRA to get into the building, and then being told you have to stop your tournament so a Taekwondo guy can play the harmonica (I SWEAR that actually happened, I SWEAR)