Wing Tsun with the mantis flare!!!!!!!!!

[sihing]

[QUOTE=Wisdom
It is a fact that Shaolin, Wu Tang and Emei Systems predate Wing Chun therefore it has to be a fact that Wing Chun would have had a major influence from these systems.[/QUOTE]

Wing Chun was not influenced by the predated systems. How can a non living thing like a Martial Arts system influence anything?? Wing chun was influenced by the PEOPLE that practiced/taught those systems, not the systems themselves or how they worked. Remember,1) never be a slave to a system, and 2) no one Martial Arts system is more importanat than the individual using it.

I will tell you, with all my experience that I have had in Wing Chun, it is still my choice whether or not I use it in a fight. I control what tools I use and how I will use them, not the delivery system I have choosen to learn.

James

[Ernie]

to shoalin or not to shoalin

[QUOTESo why should people have to refrain from using the word “Shaolin” .[/QUOTE]

to shoalin or not to shoalin

the reason you should not use terms like { shoalin , disciple , grandmaster , Emie , wu-tang [unless the rap group they rock ! ] 5 animal , 3rd insect , 5th brother ,the list goes one ,etc,

is very simple

you sound like a fruit !

just like trekies , dungeon and dragon dweebs , renaissance fair,WW2 ,cowboy and Indians re enactors

a whole bunch of lonely people seeking acceptance with other lonely people and creating a false identity

no different the the bible thumpers that worship snakes

in the realm of combative discussion , modern training methods , science of conditioning the human body

you just can not be in any way shape of from taken seriously

no matter how bad a$$ 5th brother of master buffalo fist was fabled to be in 1604

anyone that needs to justify there combative training with a history lesson ,screams of ‘’ I suck but let me sell you the same crap I fell for ‘’

hope that helps it was not met to offend just the raw honest truth

[Shaolin_Fist]

I personally have no problem with hearing either side of the coin, just so long as both sides are given a equal shout so people have a more informed position to make a judement and to choose their own path. After all we are all free to wander into a MMA school and just be free of any of the history blah blah blah and get real workout in the process.

I personally like heritage and i respect culture, religion etc… i want to know where i come from…and i want to call my grandad…‘Grandad’ and i would love to know who his grandad was ! I call my uncle…‘Uncle’ and not just ‘Bob’…and address my Sifu…‘Sifu’ but off course you are free to call your Sifu by his first name. I dont have a problem with rank either, so just cos you might address your Commander in Chief by his first name…i personally wouldn’t !

Just as i respect different races who preserve their heritage and culture. I also respect people who give credit to their source of knowlege, Just the same way as the Gracie’s acknowleged their roots. I am all ears to hearing history (factual or otherwise) on any subject but just like anyone else ‘in moderation please!’

It doesn’t matter if we cant proove what happened 300 years ago, we can still speculate. Just because it cant be proven that we are a direct decendant of the ape doesn’t bother me as i would rather hear that than hear that i am the decendant of a species of rat !

If my son came upto me and said that a Chinaman invented electricity then i would ba happy to be in the position to correct him, just the same as i know where my tomatos originated from.

Just to coin the phrase …No offence intended just my side of the Coin