Re: Internal
Teazer, my intension was not to knock other systems but to speak of my own.
Sounds Peachy!
Two sides to every coin
still_logicz,
Just want to round out a bit the “opinion” I expressed earlier in answer to your question.
I maintain that for most people, it will be difficult to invest oneself in two martial arts to the fullest.
Yet, my point was not to dampen your, or anyone else’s thirst for exploration and learning, in whatever venues you choose.
We all bring with us the full range of our life experiences in understanding any given thing, including our chosen martial art(s). It is never a “bad thing” to increase our understanding of other things. This may well include other types and applications of movement. Could be through dance, sports research, figure skating, standing meditation, mechanics of tilling soil, rowing, taiji, other martial arts, or any of a thousand other things.
The notion of what-we-bring-with-us extends to virtually all areas and pursuits of life. Thousands of things - ethics, other philosophical or religious viewpoints, learning theory, general or applied psychology, social or behavioral theory. Even such seemingly disparate endeavors such as music, art, studies of nature, organizational theory, professions or occupational specialties, corporate industrial practices, studies of history, the criminal mind, wartime practices, and so on ad infinitum.
As John Muir wrote, “When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.” One of my favorite quotes, and apropos.
The key, always and IMHO, is to find “balance” in everything we do. To the degree we wish to excel in one thing, we need to balance our investment in it with all the other things in which we invest. The key, it seems, is to find synergy where possible, such that the whole of our experiences and understanding is greater than the sum of its parts. This will take us further than investing in such a way that our endeavors interfere with each other.
Time is our one precious and non-renewable resource. How to spend it wisely is a mystery and challenge unique for each of us.
Pensive regards,
- Kathy Jo
As John Muir wrote, “When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.” One of my favorite quotes, and apropos.
Amen to that. Ain’t it the truth.
True.But who is John Muir and why dont I see my connection to him? Missing chi sao or tui shou?
But who is John Muir and why dont I see my connection to him?
you need to get out of the city a little bit more, get back to nature …
I’ve discovered that I no longer have the need to study both as I’ve found Fut Sao Wing Chun, which has QiGong techniques in it as well.
crimsonking advises:you need to get out of the city a little bit more, get back to nature …
----------------------------------------------------------------most of my family are aboriginals- they dont have to read Muir to know about nature and its interconnectiveness. Thanks for the advice though.
yuanfen
Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]crimsonking advises:you need to get out of the city a little bit more, get back to nature …
most of my family are aboriginals- they dont have to read Muir to know about nature and its interconnectiveness. Thanks for the advice though.
yuanfen [/B]
Hi Yuanfen,
Country boys just don’t know nature the way the city folk do. 
I’d like to meet the big talking city folks on the John Muir trail, say in winter time. 
Regards,
It’s disingenuous to act superior due to knowledge of facts peripheral or irrelevant to the main subject of discussion.
It’s also disingenuous to demand answers rather than use your own abilities to seek information.
John Muir:
Thanks- Now I know who John Muir is- and I have nothing but respect for him. But there are some complicated issues involved
which will take us off topic. I donate to Sierra Club projects and
have actually worked with Sierra club folks on some joint projects.
The issues that occasionally arise for me are in two areas- lets not get into debating this one. At times the Sierra club’s efforts have conflicted with some tribes attempting to preserve their culture- there are aspects of endangered human species involved. Also citing T. Roosevelt as a conservationist has its problems. The inspiring figure for the Teddy Bear killed a heck of a lot of bears himself- was hardlya bear cuddling figure! I will keep the politics out.
Re: Internal
Hi Sam,
Originally posted by Sam
Teazer, my intension was not to knock other systems but to speak of my own. Fut Sao Wing Chun’s internal training utilizes Chi development through breath control, body linking, horse posture, spinal posture, Fa-jing, pulling, pushing, and sensitivity.
I’m with you up to here, but what is “eating, spitting, emptying, filling, vibration energy” and how do they add to your Wing Chun?
[B]
Each of the forms have their own Chi Gung techniques which enhance the fighting techniques.
[/B]
Do you see this as different from other Wing Chun families? I am taught that the beginning of Sil Nim Tao has chi gung qualities, but I’m not aware of them in the second and third sets, nor the jong, and weapons sets in Yip Man Wing Chun.
[B]
The weapon sets enhance the vibration energy for cavity strikes and pointing. [/B]
I’m not sure I am familiar with vibration energy. Is this the shearing energy of Taijiquan? Wouldn’t that be a different energy than Wing Chun develops? It would be for my Wing Chun. I am leery of mixing Taiji and Wing Chun for the reasons that KJ earlier stated.
[B]
Tork powers through Snake, Crane and Fox body movements. [/B]
I’m not familiar with what you mean by these body movements. How are they significant for what you do? Are they again perhaps a reference to Taiji shearing energy?
Regards,
yuanfen - i was joking…
anerlich - correct on both counts, i apologise.
kj - very much agreed on your post. Kung fu is great in this regard - ties many things together.
what is “eating, spitting, emptying, filling, vibration energy” and how do they add to your Wing Chun?
Interesting if you can explain more… some termslike these are also used in Bak Mei to explain some breathing and body movement. Also they use the term ‘tremor power’ or ‘shock power’ to describe their Ging…
david
LOL. My mention of John Muir was to appropriately credit the quotation, rather than offered as political commentary. But I think most readers knew that. 
kj- understood- even though I live in the city and should visit the country…
“Sometimes I live in the country and some times I live in the town
and sometimes i have a great notion to jump in the river and drown”
Good night Irene- wherever you are!
Yuanfen, dezhen2001 is right on the money. Tremor or shock power could also describe vibration ging. The other terms deal with the absorption or expelling of energy. Fut Sao Wing Chun reflects back the opponents energy to hit him with his own bad intent while not contaminating your own energy.