[QUOTE=thedreamer7;1284042]Yes. Again I would prefer if you and your buddy provided clips rather than just text, otherwise to me you sound just like armchair warriors. The other clip I posted to you was to show my guys actually go and fight rather than talk. You can talk all you like on a forum, but you only know what works by stepping in the ring, my training is geared towards that. Many of the guys I train with are active MMA fighters and have a very different opinion to you on sparring.
Regarding ground game, I enter BJJ competitions, so again I leave that to the matt to figure out what works. I train at Marchelo Garcia BJJ school.[/QUOTE]
I think if you look through the sticky on Wing Chun full contact fights you can see plenty of examples of my training and sparring partners. If the clip you posted was intended to show your guys “actually go and fight rather than talk” then it failed. There didn’t seem like a whole lot of “actually go and fight” there at all. Which is why I posted a contrasting MMA sparring clip from a gym that was comparable to the mma gym I train at. Pariah MMA, Prime BJJ. Here’s a clip of one of my main training partners in ground - see around 4:30 and 7:45 mark in this clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aS6RHS_ZgE We don’t video private training sessions.
Anyway I don’t want to argue semantics. Regarding stepping in the ring, are you saying you have a fight record? Where?
In the first video. I can not comment on the chi sao. But as far as that sparring goes, it sucked ! I wish people would come at me like that. I may not know WC but I will suggest all you WC guys use those videos I posted as a model to use your art for fighting. I would have serious trouble against some of those guys in those videos. My boxing abilities would fall short . Of course I would not just box. But even still some of those guys would give me troubles. That was good WC in my ignorant of WC opinion
Now, as far as self defense stuff goes in WC I have no idea.
The point is people don’t only throw in a fight and wear jackets perfect for beginning thrown and people don’t start fighting from their knees, but people will accept them cause they are the “in thing right now” How are they different then from starting hands touching. They are all style specific sparring.I have trained in bjj and judo and competed in them as well.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1284079]The point is people don’t only throw in a fight and wear jackets perfect for beginning thrown and people don’t start fighting from their knees, but people will accept them cause they are the “in thing right now”. How are they different then from starting hands touching. They are all style specific sparring.[/QUOTE]
Judo has been practiced in gis for over 100 years, and BJJ in gis and without for decades. If that’s the “in thing right now”, its been like that for a LONG time.
Unless you’re training MMA every session, and that is style specific too, then you’re sparring “style specific”.
I think actually most schools start chi sao with hands touching, but not sparring. These days many schools and cross train and introduce elements from other arts, do groundfighting, modern weapons, clinch work, etc.
You were saying that gi’s etc. and starting with hands touching, style specific sparring were the cause of “inside style hating”. I don’t see how the premises can reach that conclusion and explained why.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;1284079] I have trained in bjj and judo and competed in them as well.[/QUOTE]
Good for you. You will find many other people on this forum have done and continue to do the same.
The Threads originator deleted this thread and I restored it.
One of the things that we as martial artist need to live up to is a code or responsibility and that means dealing with a “can of worms” that we open ( as is the case of this thread).
In the so-called “information age” people like having access to so much information and so much is out there ( good and bad) BUT some feel that if they don’t like how things go ( ie: they don’t go their way) they can simply delete.
That may be acceptable to some type of people but MA follow a code, be it wude or bushido and a huge part of those codes is to mean what you say, say what you mean and walk the walk as you talk the talk.
Deletion does NOT follow into this.
Thread will be closed however since, well, it seems the appropriate thing to do.
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