Guys.
Sparring clip from the Autodefence Wing Tchun Fight Team, Godalming Gym, England.
Emphasis on control and mobility.
http://youtube.com:80/watch?v=o0f0fFM8HIw
Cheers.
BV.
Whereâs the close range moves? Exactly what WCK seems to specialize in seems to be missing from these exchangesâŚ
I saw wing chun principles from the big baldheaded guy with the black tee shirt and the black shortsâŚalthough he didnât CLOSE into the opponent as often as he could have or should have, imo. He could have followed some of his moves up with some serious LINE OCCUPATION and forward pressure, multiple vertical fist striking, and with some simultaneous pak, lop, gum sao, etc. - possibly even some knee strikesâŚif he wanted to push it - assuming heâs been trained to use those moves in the ways Iâm thinking about it.
Then again, that would require some real head/face shots going down - and maybe that wasnât part of what they all agreed to, I donât know.
Anyway, that guy looked like he knew what he was doing - and with wing chun principles behind him.
IMO closing the gap and bringing the attack into close range is an essential and integral part of what WCK is all about..
Victor you have mentioned time and again how WCKâs techs are 99 about inside fighting and yet here do we see inside work, or even the intent to get there?
At one point when the range closes we see not WCK inside work but a âreverse body lock..â
To me, what makes WCK work, when it does, is in part about taking the attack into a range that is unfamiliar or less familiar to the opponentâŚ
If we indeed fight the way we train then again to me, we need to train taking the fight to the inside.. To do otherwise is to train to do otherwise..
Perhaps not the best example but here:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NZ3-Hi-kMNo
We see closing and attackingâŚ
Itâs the longer range delivery system to the inside that Iâve been talking about (ie.- kind of like a boxing platform frame and footwork)âŚand then actually staying there while squaring up the shoulders so that your centerline faces his COM while pressuring forward - while putting the wing chun hands to work - thatâs the key.
He was using some wing chun principles from the outside longer range but he didnât follow up with the payload once he started to gain ground. That was my point.
Looks like a fun school to train at. Some decent stuff. I did notice one major thing. They never seemed to punch and use the ground. Like rooted not floating. I know it is light sparring but the punches lacked power even if they were to hit. I think they should spar with more speed and structure. You could always pull a punch. That doesnât mean it should be thrown without intent.
Leaving aside the question of âwhere is the WCK?â, where is the sparring?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lb-CDEoPaE
Notice the training partners are really trying to hit one another? Thatâs what makes it sparring.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;770019]Leaving aside the question of âwhere is the WCK?â, where is the sparring?[/QUOTE]Got any video of you sparring so we can see how itâs done properly?
[QUOTE=tbone;770023]Got any video of you sparring so we can see how itâs done properly?[/QUOTE]
Why do you care how I do it? If you want to see it done âproperlyâ, just look at how good fighters do it.
thanks for putting the clip up, especially in front of the all the armchair criticsâŚ
i notice youâre called the âfight teamâ are your guys planning on competing at all?
Hereâs one that might be the best explanation for fighting yet
Right T?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5DnxxqiiZo
J
Hey Big Vern,
I enjoyed the clip in spite of some of the negative commentary that followed.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;770024]Why do you care how I do it? If you want to see it done âproperlyâ, just look at how good fighters do it.[/QUOTE]
Err, because you are putting them down. You directly criticised these guys.
Obviously you think you are better then them so you should back it up.
If you think you canât show them up, then donât throw stones from the glasshouse.
When folks post videos hereâŚ
Other folks are going to have an opinion on the training shown. Posting the clip opens the door and invites commentsâwhat others here think is good, bad or indifferent about it. Despite the fact that âfeelings may be hurtâ this is how people can learn, debate, share ideas and discuss training methods..
IMO posting criticisms/opinions on training shown in videos is totally valid and appropriate so long as there are no personal attacks usedâŚ
In my comments I am posing my concerns re: said training methods and have no intention to disparage, insult others or otherwise be a weenie..
I agree with YungChun on the VT close range fighting point.
First off id like to say, good to see some sparring going on and mixing it up.
My only criticism of the action seen is that the biggest VT principal (IMO) is missing from each guys game.
Whats that ? Elbow position.
You guys all have flying elbow. The elbows especially in Boxing with big gloves are an invaluable tool for blocking and covering.
I see elbows outside the body and only wrist and palms used for blocking parrying.
Tightening up your elbows will give you a good solid guard for straight and round punches to the head or to the body.
Tightening in two ways -
- being a little more inside your body width.
- Closer to your own body mass rather that reaching out for a block.
Big Vern - cheers for sharing mate - keep it up.
Seeing fun sparring like that makes me wanna glove up, but im at work 
[QUOTE=YungChun;769999]
If we indeed fight the way we train then again to me, we need to train taking the fight to the inside.. To do otherwise is to train to do otherwise..
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I think itâs actually better to train at the range those guys are training.
A lot of WC people who donât actually find it hard to spar against other striking styles. Because they donât have the mobility and coordination to attack and defend at that range, they canât get their WC to work. Theyâre used to just training in close against another WC person. Theyâre usually weak at long range and more capable at short range.
They canât extrapolate their angles and lines to a longer range if they never train a bit further apart with someone who isnât coming in. And at the longer range, the kick is the stronger weapon. The lower body is the more vulnerable target.
The range will eventually close up anyway. Itâs the nature of fighting. But often when you try run in too hard, you can run into a counterattack or end up jamming yourself. A little bit of patience and some long range skills make a much more dangerous fighter.
As you said, they did clinch and body lock one time. Thatâs a real technique. Itâs could very likely happen in a real fight. So why shouldnât you train using it?
In my comments I am posing my concerns re: said training methods and have no intention to disparage, insult others or otherwise be a weenie..
Understood.
I think saying âWhere is the sparring?â is a lot more disparaging than âWhere is the close range moves?â.
Props for publishing.
Ignore the armchair critics.
[QUOTE=Edmund;770054]I think saying âWhere is the sparring?â is a lot more disparaging than âWhere is the close range moves?â.[/QUOTE]Ed, I think that is the crux of the matter. Terence has a very narrow view of the world, IMO. So even if you do âsparâ you need to meet his criterion in that area as well. I have no problem with having high standards, we all should. I would just like to see the commentary be a little more balanced. Liddel seems to have the right idea from what where Iâm sitting.
I liked that a lot. If people keep training like this kung fu will start to get some respect. Anyone saying there is something wrong with it show your clips and lets compare.
They had good kicks and good defense with the hands. Probably didnât get up close because itâs Wing Chung vs Wing Chung and they donât want to get their face smashed up. Where if they where going against another style they could crowd them and go to work with fist and elbos.