[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1155340]You define realistically, do you train with Stan? ;)[/QUOTE]
I have trained with stan about five times…I plan to train a little more with doing chi sau and sparring. an working on his dummy and hitting his punching bag and wall bag…
[QUOTE=Chadderz;1155342]As close to practical combat as possible, eg, sparring and losing forms in favour of function.
And no, but I’ve seen him, and I like the way he thinks, and he spars regularly.[/QUOTE]
Who do you do wing chun with?
Define: losing forms in favour of function
[QUOTE=Yoshiyahu;1155346]I have trained with stan about five times…I plan to train a little more with doing chi sau and sparring. an working on his dummy and hitting his punching bag and wall bag…[/QUOTE]
haha, I was joking/messing with you. From everything I’ve seen, nothing stan does is even remotely close to realistic anythying. That’s why I asked you to describe what you think is ‘training realistically’, so people can get a baseline of your understanding of the term 
I love Wing Chun. It’s what I like to do in my free time.
…but boxing, MT, etc have ‘pockets of power’ as well. While large looping punches are often seen in boxing - hooks, uppercuts, body shots, etc were developed when the range got closer and straight lines didn’t work (opponent covers up, gloves are in the way of their face, etc).
So, yes: Wing Chun would excel in a phone booth, but if you’re in there with a boxer, watch your ribcage.
CTK
Your argument is pretty invalid because most WC schools STILL don’t train realistically.
Oh yeah? How often do you train in phone booths and porta-loos?
Unless it’s an Alan OR student of course.
Alan ORR. Yes, but he’s not the only one. He is the only one with a good video series.
[QUOTE=couch;1155377]I love Wing Chun. It’s what I like to do in my free time.
…but boxing, MT, etc have ‘pockets of power’ as well. While large looping punches are often seen in boxing - hooks, uppercuts, body shots, etc were developed when the range got closer and straight lines didn’t work (opponent covers up, gloves are in the way of their face, etc).
So, yes: Wing Chun would excel in a phone booth, but if you’re in there with a boxer, watch your ribcage.
CTK[/QUOTE]
Can’t I just give the guy 50 cents and save my floating ribs? Sheesh!
In all seriousness I agree with you. I can’t stand WC people who insist that the only effective and real power generation can come out of a Wing Chun structure, especially since there is a very easy way to prove that is not the case.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1155387]Oh yeah? How often do you train in phone booths and porta-loos?[/QUOTE]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75696883@N05/6803733955/in/photostream
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1155293]so.. not only do I fight in a phonebooth, but I attack you while you are attempting to leave the booth, push you in, and smother you.
Then I kick over the phone booth.[/QUOTE]
When I am in a phone booth, it is for the exclusive purpose of changing into my Superman outfit. 
[QUOTE=WingChunABQ;1155326]There are plenty of elbows in the Biu Jee form.[/QUOTE]
Please show some pictures or clips in the Biu Jee form that has:
[QUOTE=WingChunABQ;1155415]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/75696883@N05/6803733955/in/photostream[/QUOTE]
Now THAT’s what I’m talkin’ ABOUT!
Wing chun elbows
They are every where-slt, ck, bj, mok- with proper learning and practice they cover all directions.
They are difficult to control in chi sao- specially for beginners.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1155417]When I am in a phone booth, it is for the exclusive purpose of changing into my Superman outfit. ;)[/QUOTE]
My biggest problem is, there are no real phone booths left to fight in! I guess WC’s use has finally passed us…
Please show some pictures or clips in the Biu Jee form that has:
He said “there are plenty of elbows in Bil Jee”, not “Bil Jee contains every type of elbow strike you can think of”.
My biggest problem is, there are no real phone booths left to fight in! I guess WC’s use has finally passed us…
No phone booths, but portaloos are still on the ascendance … a good martial artist must learn to adapt.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1155435]No phone booths, but portaloos are still on the ascendance … a good martial artist must learn to adapt.[/QUOTE]
Well there are also closets if you happen to be in one
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1155360]haha, I was joking/messing with you. From everything I’ve seen, nothing stan does is even remotely close to realistic anythying. That’s why I asked you to describe what you think is ‘training realistically’, so people can get a baseline of your understanding of the term :)[/QUOTE]
thanks for the comical relife…ha ha lol
[QUOTE=WingChunABQ;1155413]Can’t I just give the guy 50 cents and save my floating ribs? Sheesh!
In all seriousness I agree with you. I can’t stand WC people who insist that the only effective and real power generation can come out of a Wing Chun structure, especially since there is a very easy way to prove that is not the case.[/QUOTE]
What if his name is 50 cents and he wants to hit you with a Hook?
[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1155417]When I am in a phone booth, it is for the exclusive purpose of changing into my Superman outfit. ;)[/QUOTE]
Wow I prefer changing into my god costume in the portapotty!
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1155299]Why on earth would you think that?[/QUOTE]
In a phone booth..Hung Gar and choy li fut and other longer or round punching styles would have less advantage. Yes Hung Gar has some direct in middle attacks but the power generation is different. Wing Chun is more Linear than choy li fut or hung ga if you fight with it traditionally…
if you use choy li fut like a western boxing…you will be limited when it comes to round punches outside of the jab and right and left crosses. sure uppercuts be utilize but WC method is for going straight ie sun punch…where choy li fut uses more outside attacks that uses swinging motion to generate more power!!!
That swinging motion or swinging range would be greatly limited by an enclosed space!
While one has to take the reality check and realise that fighting in a phone booth is a farcical situation …
Choy Li Fut does not solely consist if big swinging attacks. There are close range movements as well.
Sky marshals etc. have to operate in “tubular environments”. And there are plenty of places which are basically narrow corridors in buildings.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1155421]Please show some pictures or clips in the Biu Jee form that has:
downward elbow,
upward elbow,
straight elbow,
horizontal elbow,
backward elbow,
both forward and backward elbows,
both right and left elbows,
The elbow is only used in dire emergencies. Where you can not use the fist. The elbow is not as powerful as you might think, and the weapon is only about a foot long at best. It is like hitting someone with an 8 inch stick. It might hurt, but it will not hurt near enough to do you much good. You have to get to within a foot of the target, and your force is only a short swing of the upper arm with some of your weight behind it, maybe. Not much of your weight anyway. If you try to fight someone with your elbows you are going to get beaten badly. The only time an elbow is worth anything is when it is the only thing you can use at that time. Back when WC was being developed, Kung fu was about the only thing you would have to deal with. You have seen guys doing forms and such, and try to imagine doing that in a narrow run or doorway on a small junk or boat. You would not have enough room to fight. WC was developed on that boat and in that doorway or narrow run you can punch and kick with all your force and power. Standing in a real narrow space I can punch very hard, and I can kick very hard. Try getting through that small run by use of your elbows, and I will end up with your lunch money. Outside it’s most useful situation(the phone booth) you have to improvise and overcome. You crowd the guy and render his best and most powerful weapons useless if you can.
Elbow is useless? Where do u get this crap really? The elbow and the knee are probably two of the most powerful techniques u have in clinch/close range fighting. Sometimes i wonder if u have ever actually done any MA’s. Yes its limited in range but thats not what its intent is for. You compare it to a short stick. I compare it like being hit with a hammer.
