MMA/Kickboxing vs. Wing Tsun
BJJ vs Wing Chun
“Made in Russia”: http://www.youtube.com/user/Sashusik#g/u
Not bad at all, P.T.
I’ve seen these before, and posted links to some of these vids here on this forum about a year ago.
Chu Sau Lei Fighter Aaron Baum
Championship Win
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49tbIUy5Qd0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gR3beL5CWo&feature=related
Another Pro win -
Chu Sau Lei Fighter Paul Doherty
Pauls First Amateur MMA Fight
Fight Factory
I thought I’d post a few videos of some of the guys out of the gym I train at’s fights.
They don’t do WCK, but I thought you guys might like them anyway.
Cameron Dollar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pC0oLvtapA
Justin Guthrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6iFGd9__-s
Mark Korsnowski
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWlsAx1ay3o
Scott Cleve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACMZNYS-TLw
Nick Waters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjfG_b5G1sw
Josh Huber
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtMdQHT5cUk
Devon Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMwIWsAJa-w
I’ll be posting more clips of full contact training and matches here:
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/wckcg/
To join you have to upload a clip of yourself to the group, youtube, or wherever doing something WC. It doesn’t have to be sparring but at least we don’t have the critics who talk crap about everyone else but never show anything of themselves.
We have boxers (one a pro), and other stylists that train with us so I have some good clips. 
TMAs need to pump up their game.
[QUOTE=YungChun;1014492]Obasi VS VT Wrestling Champ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2Nt2YSTNNA[/QUOTE]
This guy is a pretty good fighter. Too bad he’s bat-**** crazy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_3F6Zwbp9E&feature=related
The whole thing start off pretty reasonable and Obasi makes a pretty good point. He isn’t a kickboxer or muay thai guy and shouldn’t be expected to kick and punch and like one (it is MIXED martial arts after all - doesn’t really matter how a kick is performed so long as it does its job). Then, however, Obasi goes nuts and acts like a psycho.
My granddstudent Ishaq’s Manup Standup fight in NYC 8-28-10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsS2WUlq8C0
Ishaq’s championship fight the same day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39-unagGqPw
Here is my contribution of my full contact fight. I am the one in RED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iuvxmUJzEU
and a second camera view in HD from a different angle:
This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:
[QUOTE=Faruq;1040975]This is an old clip, and if anyone knows the WC fighter and lineage please post it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXg0FFREzcg&feature=related[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure this is the same guy off some youtube clips and his site.
I can’t read the language it’s written in so I can’t tell you him lineage however he seems to mix in a bit of MMA with his WC/VT not that there is anything wrong with that so long it works for you in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQTBArJYRVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2lkGynvAqk&feature=related
Wow, how’d you find it?
[QUOTE=Faruq;1047804]Wow, how’d you find it?[/QUOTE]
I’ve seen him on youtube before so I just looked around a little bit…
This is just real heavy training but I like it
[QUOTE=mjw;1069316]This is just real heavy training but I like it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkFECpgdg8E&feature=related[/QUOTE]
Can’t stand that clip.
It seems like someone who basically trained Wing Chun, didn’t “get it”, and decided to compensate with aggression and strength.
And thats fine for some things, but just because its hard and rough, doesn’t mean its good. There’s no skill there, there’s no wing chun. And its not ‘not’ wing chun because you don’t see them adhering to the forms and the templates, its not ‘not’ wing chun because there’s no developed skills. No grabbing, no sticking, no parrying, and not even any decent balance.
Finally, the throws/ground work is laughable.
So his strikes are crap, his ground game is crap, his throws and clinching is crap.
The whole clip is just crap =) I mean, its great if you want to work that, the ground game and throws and everything are awesome to work, but if you don’t know wtf you’re doing, you just look like a fool…
[QUOTE=AdrianK;1078832]Can’t stand that clip.
It seems like someone who basically trained Wing Chun, didn’t “get it”, and decided to compensate with aggression and strength.
And thats fine for some things, but just because its hard and rough, doesn’t mean its good. There’s no skill there, there’s no wing chun. And its not ‘not’ wing chun because you don’t see them adhering to the forms and the templates, its not ‘not’ wing chun because there’s no developed skills. No grabbing, no sticking, no parrying, and not even any decent balance.
Finally, the throws/ground work is laughable.
So his strikes are crap, his ground game is crap, his throws and clinching is crap.
The whole clip is just crap =) I mean, its great if you want to work that, the ground game and throws and everything are awesome to work, but if you don’t know wtf you’re doing, you just look like a fool…[/QUOTE]
Technique and structure aside, I think he’s getting one of the most important aspects of Ving Tsun more than many on this board. He focuses on doing what will end a fight - striking. One of the main premises in Ving Tsun is not to chase hands, yet most of the actions you are looking for (grabbing, sticking, parrying) are just that, chasing hands. There is a lot of chaos in an altercation and things happen very fast, there is no time to have a mindset that is not conducive to ending a fight. If you think about grabbing (and we are not talking about grappling) while your opponent is focused on punching, your chances decrease dramatically.
[QUOTE=Buddha_Fist;1083082]Technique and structure aside, I think he’s getting one of the most important aspects of Ving Tsun more than many on this board. He focuses on doing what will end a fight - striking. One of the main premises in Ving Tsun is not to chase hands, yet most of the actions you are looking for (grabbing, sticking, parrying) are just that, chasing hands. There is a lot of chaos in an altercation and things happen very fast, there is no time to have a mindset that is not conducive to ending a fight. If you think about grabbing (and we are not talking about grappling) while your opponent is focused on punching, your chances decrease dramatically.[/QUOTE]
I agree that a focus on striking is incredibly important to any striking art, absolutely. I’m not saying he should be chasing hands, I’m saying he should take the opponent’s movement to gain the advantage. If he can outstrike him, great. But you don’t see great boxers saying “There’s no point in evasive footwork”, or “there’s no point in counter punching”.
The problem with blind aggression is that you leave yourself open. Ya know, its great if you’re bigger and/or stronger/faster than the other guy, or you just want to win more. In altercations with your average nobody, blind aggression works fine. Actually, it works great.
But why train wing chun, boxing, wrestling, or any martial art, at all then? Just buy a punching bag, some free weights and supplements or steroids and you’re golden.
That being said, the vertical punch is hardly the most effective punch for those types of confrontations anyway.
Anyways, its like this, where’s the meat of wing chun? To be structurally sound while we fight (Stances, Footwork), to strike the openings (elbows, kicks, punches, eye gouges, grabbing), and the ability to counter and control the opponent.
The ability to counter and control the opponent comprises a significant part of the WC Curriculum. Its Lop Sao, Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Gan Sao, Jut Sao, Biu Sao, etc. etc., Its Chi Sao, Its Chi Gerk.
So yeah, striking is an incredibly important part of the curriculum lost on plenty of people. But what is blind striking? Its being unaware of your openings in a fight. You cannot roll punch your way out of every situation. A decent wrestler can destroy this guy. A decent counter-puncher in boxing can destroy this guy.
I’m not asking the guy to focus on countering and controlling. But he should at the very least be aware. If you’re striking someone you should be aware and ready to take any opening they present. Otherwise, all things equal physiologically, the guy has no advantage over his opponent, and opens himself up to get taken down or counter punched.
[QUOTE=AdrianK;1083449]…can take the opponent’s movement to his advantage… counter and control…Lop Sao, Pak Sao, Bong Sao, Gan Sao, Jut Sao, Biu Sao, etc. etc., Its Chi Sao, Its Chi Gerk…[/QUOTE]
Is there any video that shows the above points as you describe in free sparring?
He lacks structure, balance, footwork, and Ving Tsun technique from my particular point of view, but he still adapts to the incoming attack by yielding through footwork while continuing his counterattack. I don’t think that he acts blindly or in a dumb manner at all. He takes advantage of what is working great with somebody who cannot deal with his actions. We don’t know how he would adapt to somebody with more skill, we can just speculate…