[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1181609]That’s unfortunate because I would have appreciated your feedback.[/QUOTE]
No problem! If you have any questions, I’ll be more than happy to try to answer in another thread. I just don’t want to spend/waste any more time on this flag nonsense 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181623] Thus, one can see, weng Chun is not wing Chun. It is a different type of art.[/QUOTE]
Hey Hendrick why do you lie to and confuse others? What kind of dharma is that? Since you like videos so much, watch this video and pay attention around 4:40. This gentleman represents one of the lineages you cite. Pay attention. There is no deflecting this spoken word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEej1FpJwo
Your slip is showing little lady.
Poor Hendrick I have compassion for your tortured mind.
[QUOTE=desertwingchun2;1181677]Hey Hendrick why do you lie to and confuse others?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEej1FpJwo
Personal comments do not help. On substance you are talking past each other.
Sergio has some good interviews in his portfolio.
[QUOTE=desertwingchun2;1181677]Hey Hendrick why do you lie to and confuse others? What kind of dharma is that? Since you like videos so much, watch this video and pay attention around 4:40. This gentleman represents one of the lineages you cite. Pay attention. There is no deflecting this spoken word.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IEej1FpJwo
Your slip is showing little lady.
Poor Hendrick I have compassion for your tortured mind.[/QUOTE]
I am refer to the hong kong magazine main branch chart above.
“Also, as the above mag main lineage of WCK, chisim Weng Chun which is in the book of vtm published is not present. Thus, one can see, weng Chun is not wing Chun. It is a different type of art.”
If you don’t like it go proof the the Asian wcners.
In the mean time, there is no ChiSim Weng Chun in that chart of main brach wing Chun lineage.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181705]I am refer to the hong kong magazine main branch chart above.
“Also, as the above mag main lineage of WCK, chisim Weng Chun which is in the book of vtm published is not present. Thus, one can see, weng Chun is not wing Chun. It is a different type of art.”
If you don’t like it go proof the the Asian wcners.
Lots of water under the bridge on “weng” since leung Jan and Chan Wah Shun’s time.
Check the differences in stances and structures.
Take a look at this the exact writing in 1890 from other WCK lineage . And see what is it Wing Chun.
the person who make the note is the student of San Kam of red boat opera wck.
http://kungfuqigong.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1173423&postcount=14
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181705] weng Chun is not wing Chun. [/QUOTE]
Is “1/2 cup full” attitude better than “1/2 cup empty” attitude? Is “similiarity” attitude better than “difference” attitude?
Why weng Chun and wing Chun are not considered as WC brothers?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1181717]
Why weng Chun and wing Chun are not considered as WC brothers?[/QUOTE]
Cousins maybe, The stances and dynamics are sufficiently different.
Originally posted by Sifu Sergio
Where are your pictures of you learning under your sifus in the 80’s? They are non existent because you (Kenneth Lin) never studied it at that time!
“*In 2000: Surabaya Indonesia Looking for a Wing Chun teacher. Lin meets Anthony Chung Che Man of Vikoga Wing Chun.”
Had Lin taken many wc lessons from Chung between 2000 -2003?
-The siauw lim do and Tim kiao are your creations from the teachings of victor leow mixed with the teachings of your other sifu’s mixed with the formula of Hung Fa Yi which you modified quite ingeniously,we must admid you did a great job as you had us fooled for over a year.
Only SLT (siauw lim do) and CK (Tim kiao ), no Biu Jee (Biu Tze)…
So…wonder if Lin’s wc teacher knows Biu Jee.
Originally Posted by Happy Tiger
None what so ever. At least not formally. Certainly not anything remotely like what I see now from him. I felt he was more a ‘fan’ of VT after touching hands. I have also read that he met his first VT sifu in the early 90’s. I can’t imagine who that would be,but I can ask around my circles. How does anybody become a grand master of anything after a scant 10 years?
In 1999 Lin was more a ‘fan’ of VT, today a grand master of black flag wc suddenly appears in the Benny’s commercial shop. Were there any black flag and 5 flags wc in Chinese history?
5 flags bandits, yes.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php/90206-Taking-another-look-at-Black-Flag-historical-claims
5 flags wc, no! and that raises ethical issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe1Ypn3n8I&feature=related
[QUOTE=kentchang;1181945]“*In 2000: Surabaya Indonesia Looking for a Wing Chun teacher. Lin meets Anthony Chung Che Man of Vikoga Wing Chun.”
Had Lin taken many wc lessons from Chung between 2000 -2003?
Only SLT (siauw lim do) and CK (Tim kiao ), no Biu Jee (Biu Tze)…
So…wonder if Lin’s wc teacher knows Biu Jee.
In 1999 Lin was more a ‘fan’ of VT, today a grand master of black flag wc suddenly appears in the Benny’s commercial shop. Were there any black flag and 5 flags wc in Chinese history?
5 flags bandits, yes.
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php/90206-Taking-another-look-at-Black-Flag-historical-claims
5 flags wc, no! and that raises ethical issues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe1Ypn3n8I&feature=related[/QUOTE]
As in the 70 s. hong king movies.
“Snake and crane” are the true story of WCK and technology which describe WCK. For those WCK Gm from different lineages across WCK from per 1950 are telling the truth.
The Tan Sau Ng shaolin by Pan Nam and endorse later by Ip Chun is a theory of Pan Nam in 1990. Which doesn’t reflect in WCK. In fact Pan Nam evolve his art with hung kuen as one can see. That is different with the pre 1900 art such as yks, kulo, …ect.
Some how, in late 1990s. Vtm started to believe in chinese triad is the root of WCK and fit in with the tan sau Ng story. And the flag system or shaolin WCK system ideas and creation started.
Some chisim weng Chun practitioners making claim that they are the proper way of wck because Gm Ip Man learn from their teachers in hong kong, knowing not that Ip Man WCK is just a lineage in WCK. One can see the teaching of other WCK lineages which support ip man lineage, and these WCK lineages has no contact with chisim weng Chun. Also, chisim WCK doesn’t not train or use the same type power generation with WCK. Thus, weng Chun is not wing Chun.
Imo, There are three technics areas why black flag is not WCK but the other art.
The hand technics of black flag is not following the WCK slt, wooden dummy , of keep in the center line domain Frontal . Instead, black flag goes beyond the center extended to the side.
Black Using a jerk power generation rather then WCK smooth power. Notice it always has to jerk instead of WCK where one is in touch as applied a force without that jerk.
The snake or small jing of WCK is not emphasis. Basic core wck technics, Tan sau , snake LAN sau are missing.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181962]As in the 70 s. hong king movies.
“Snake and crane” are the true story of WCK and technology which describe WCK. For those WCK Gm from different lineages across WCK from per 1950 are telling the truth.
The Tan Sau Ng shaolin by Pan Nam and endorse later by Ip Chun is a theory of Pan Nam in 1990. Which doesn’t reflect in WCK. In fact Pan Nam evolve his art with hung kuen as one can see. That is different with the pre 1900 art such as yks, kulo, …ect.
Some how, in late 1990s. Vtm started to believe in chinese triad is the root of WCK and fit in with the tan sau Ng story. And the flag system or shaolin WCK system ideas and creation started.
Good post Hendrik
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181714]Take a look at this the exact writing in 1890 from other WCK lineage . And see what is it Wing Chun.
the person who make the note is the student of San Kam of red boat opera wck.
http://kungfuqigong.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1173423&postcount=14[/QUOTE]
Um ok. It says Wing Chun is from Shaolin and created by Jee Shin and Ng Mui. What is your point?
So your now a proponent of the fact Wing Chun is from Shaolin?
You are a goob.
And BTW there are many other schools of Weng Chun besides CSWCK. I’m really surprised you are trying to take shots at CSWCK. Maybe you forget the lineage holder made you look like a dope after putting you on your back repeatedly.
I wish you would see me or JP you need to feel the ground on your back again.
I saw your vid of play time with your “friend” playing cutsy with a yoga ball. Remember “Ball no hit back”. Now go to Chik-a-Fillet and protest. I know you weren’t there a couple of days ago.
Back to read only mode.
[QUOTE=desertwingchun2;1181989]Um ok. It says Wing Chun is from Shaolin and created by Jee Shin and Ng Mui. What is your point?
So your now a proponent of the fact Wing Chun is from Shaolin?
You are a goob.
And BTW there are many other schools of Weng Chun besides CSWCK. I’m really surprised you are trying to take shots at CSWCK. Maybe you forget the lineage holder made you look like a dope after putting you on your back repeatedly.
I wish you would see me or JP you need to feel the ground on your back again.
I saw your vid of play time with your “friend” playing cutsy with a yoga ball. Remember “Ball no hit back”. Now go to Chik-a-Fillet and protest. I know you weren’t there a couple of days ago.
Back to read only mode.[/QUOTE]
I am talking 1890 written evidence of is it wing Chun or weng Chun character. Not stories.
The point is in the exactly copy of the 1890 preserve note.
In Chinese character written in 1890. It records clearly as Wing Chun.
This is an evidence from 1890.
Can those who claim weng Chun shows a pre 1890 as it is preserve evidence?
The name of the lineage is called snake crane wing Chun as written in 1890 by this preserve evidence. not tan sau Ng wing Chun. Or chisim wengchun or weng chun.
Also, the technics in snake and crane wing Chun is closely similar to yks, kulo, yik kam. They all have both tan sau and tong kiu, where all the flag systems doesn’t have the tan sau. That is and evidence one can see and compare in YouTube today.
As for my video, WCK has that power type . as many WCNers already in this forum discuss on how this power type related to Bruce lee inch power type. That is one of WCK power signature.
WCK Evidence, power signatures are independent of me. If you have any evidence please shared them.
This is a thread of WCK evolution, it is not a thread of who you are or what you do or how good you are. Please get that straight. It you want to discuss here.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181995]I am talking 1890 written evidence of is it wing Chun or weng Chun character. Not stories.
The point is in the exactly copy of the 1890 preserve note.
In Chinese character written in 1890. It records clearly as Wing Chun.
This is an evidence from 1890.
Can those who claim weng Chun shows a pre 1890 as it is preserve evidence?
[/QUOTE]
Ok, so now I understand. Only take a piece of the article. And that piece is the piece that supports your agenda. The majority of the article does not support your agenda so we are to disregard that part. Got it, Check.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181995]
The name of the lineage is called snake crane wing Chun as written in 1890 by this preserve evidence. not tan sau Ng wing Chun. Or chisim wengchun or weng chun.
Also, the technics in snake and crane wing Chun is closely similar to yks, kulo, yik kam. They all have both tan sau and tong kiu, where all the flag systems doesn’t have the tan sau. That is and evidence one can see and compare in YouTube today.
[/QUOTE]
Right SCWC from Shaolin. The history was not fully documented before Chi Sin and Ng Mui hence, there are no ancestors noted. Only point noted is WCK was practiced at Shaolin at the Wing Chun Tong.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181995]3. As for my video, WCK has that power type . as many WCNers already in this forum discuss on how this power type related to Bruce lee inch power type. That is one of WCK power signature.[/QUOTE]
We are all familiar with short bridge energy. Are you really comparing your power to Bruce Lee’s?? You are delusional my friend. What I saw looked like some romper room game. You should post a vid similar to someone like Tom Wong. Now that man can show real short burst energy. I don’t think you are in the same realm.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181995]4. WCK Evidence, power signatures are independent of me. If you have any evidence please shared them.[/QUOTE]
I will be happy to show you. When would you like to meet?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1181995]This is a thread of WCK evolution, it is not a thread of who you are or what you do or how good you are. Please get that straight. It you want to discuss here.[/QUOTE]
No this is a thread about promoting your silly agenda and taking pot shots at people with much more skill than you.
As stated before you are a goob.
You are free to have your opinions.
Thanks. I have no interest in you or your art or your thinking.
The focus is,
The Snake Crane Wing Chun 1890 preserve note has answered to your Weng Chun idea of your previous post with evidence.
Nope, it is wing Chun in writing and not weng Chun pre 1900.
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1181677&postcount=22
You are always welcome to show evidence as above from different lineages and Asian third party research and network to defend or promote your view. So, show us evidence of this class and please not side tract .
[QUOTE=desertwingchun2;1182004]Ok, so now I understand. Only take a piece of the article. And that piece is the piece that supports your agenda. The majority of the article does not support your agenda so we are to disregard that part. Got it, Check.
Right SCWC from Shaolin. The history was not fully documented before Chi Sin and Ng Mui hence, there are no ancestors noted. Only point noted is WCK was practiced at Shaolin at the Wing Chun Tong.
We are all familiar with short bridge energy. Are you really comparing your power to Bruce Lee’s?? You are delusional my friend. What I saw looked like some romper room game. You should post a vid similar to someone like Tom Wong. Now that man can show real short burst energy. I don’t think you are in the same realm.
I will be happy to show you. When would you like to meet?
No this is a thread about promoting your silly agenda and taking pot shots at people with much more skill than you.
As stated before you are a goob.[/QUOTE]