[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1186711]Its not an either/or case dude, so don’t make it one.
You can be conditoned AND strong so why wouldn’t you be?[/QUOTE]
I am in agreement. I think that being conditioned is slightly more important and plus I am not a fan of the idea that you have to do big lifts to get the biggest bang for your buck. I believe in variety.
[QUOTE=RWilson;1186743]I am in agreement. I think that being conditioned is slightly more important and plus I am not a fan of the idea that you have to do big lifts to get the biggest bang for your buck. I believe in variety.[/QUOTE]
Conditoning is crucial but we most also be aware of what we need in everyday life.
Strength is one of the things that we can never have “too much off”, be it to bring the groceries home, toss the kids around, move a washing machine or fridge or crush a beer can with our bicep, LOL !
At least for me, in terms of everyday life, I use strength far more than conditioning.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1186746]Conditoning is crucial but we most also be aware of what we need in everyday life.
Strength is one of the things that we can never have “too much off”, be it to bring the groceries home, toss the kids around, move a washing machine or fridge or crush a beer can with our bicep, LOL !
At least for me, in terms of everyday life, I use strength far more than conditioning.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree, and it’s one thing I’ve heard Alwyn Cosgrove say over and over again: “you never hear an athlete say, ‘I need to get weaker.’”
Honestly, one of the best ways I saw for S&C was when I interned with Robert dos Remedios for preseason football, and he would have the athletes lift and then condition. It wasn’t necessarily specific, but enough of it would transfer over to the sport. This for me as been the best method of working on S&C, and it covers the bases without doing several sessions a day.
The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I’ll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I’ll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist’s knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don’t believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1186772]The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I’ll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I’ll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist’s knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don’t believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OtpBn9qJs[/QUOTE]
I do Woodchops with well over 100lbs quite easily, in fact I often max out the weight stacks on most machines.
The vid you posted YKW is ok, but that weight would do nothing for me personally. There wouldn’t be enough stimulus for developing muscle strength.
[QUOTE=Fa Xing;1186800]I do Woodchops with well over 100lbs quite easily, in fact I often max out the weight stacks on most machines.
The vid you posted YKW is ok, but that weight would do nothing for me personally. There wouldn’t be enough stimulus for developing muscle strength.[/QUOTE]
It’s the “release” that I have concern. When I release my pulley in fast speed, that final weight drop can hurt my elbow joint. Of course I can release it in much slow speed, but I won’t be able to train the ability that I need - shaking.
I’m not using pulley to develop my muscle. I’m using it to develop my “shaking”. In my weight pulley clip, when I release my rope, there is some “delay” there until the weight start to drop and pull me forward. That kind of feeling is what I want to train for.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1186808]I’m not using pulley to develop my muscle. I’m using it to develop my “shaking”.[/QUOTE]
This is why you shouldn’t take strength training advice from TMAists.
[QUOTE=IronFist;1186812]This is why you shouldn’t take strength training advice from TMAists.[/QUOTE]
If you just just want to be strong, a 20 years old personal trainner in any gym can help you on that.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1186772]The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I’ll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I’ll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist’s knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don’t believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OtpBn9qJs[/QUOTE]
What do you use to make it?
[QUOTE=Raipizo;1186834]What do you use to make it?[/QUOTE]
The longer the rope, the better it will be. This way when you release your rope, it will take more time untill the final weight drop that give you a “surprise” pulling. In the gym, the iron rope for the weight pulley won’t create the “wave form” that you need.
How about this? Seems a lot cheaper too.
you miss the wave form hes talking about though. I think that the main difference is that while both develop strength, John’s machine also helps develop a specific martial aspect. Plus you get to dig a hole!!!
[QUOTE=Raipizo;1186852]How about this? Seems a lot cheaper too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KJOyRUjpcU[/QUOTE]
Here is the main discussion issues. We all know that “general strength development” and “special purpose strength development” are both important in combat.
From my personal experience, “heavy weight” and “fast speed” just don’t go well to each other.
[QUOTE=Lucas;1186853]you miss the wave form hes talking about though. I think that the main difference is that while both develop strength, John’s machine also helps develop a specific martial aspect. Plus you get to dig a hole!!![/QUOTE]
Yup I didn’t get what he meant by wave. Ykw is it demonstrated in the YouTube video you sent?
You could probably get the same results from that one I posted, all you need is a longer rope. Plus would’t the pulling be horrid for your joints? Same reason why you’re not supposed to strike fast with weights in your hand.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1186861]Here is the main discussion issues. We all know that “general strength development” and “special purpose strength development” are both important in combat.
From my personal experience, “heavy weight” and “fast speed” just don’t go well to each other.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Frost;1186876]1) no you end up with the worst of both worlds. build a base with general exercises then go specific.[/QUOTE]
After I had hurt my elbow 4 times with heavy weight and fast speed, I have to agree with you on this. Also agree with you on the other 3 as well.
[QUOTE=Frost;1186876]Siff found that maximum explosion came with 60% of your one rep max,[/QUOTE]
That’s a good piece information. Thanks for sharing.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1186772]The day that I had built my weight pulley at home, I put up about 70 lb weight at the end. My teacher said that was too much weight. I then asked him how much weight was proper, he then told me it should be around 45 lb. In the last 3 months, I had increased up to 65 lb. This week I feel my elbow joint may have some injury from the fast pulling. I’ll take another week off and go back to my regular 50 lb again. I know from now on I’ll stay with 50 lb weight if I still want to maintain my speed. This is an excellent example that old TMAist’s knowledge and experience is valuable. If you don’t believe it, you may have to use your own body injury to learn your own experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_OtpBn9qJs[/QUOTE]
hmmm…i have to say the problem i have with this exercise is at the point that the arm is taking the load, the shoulder and elbow are overextended. the elbow is likely to take a slight hyperextension with each stroke and the load at the shoulder is taken completely by tendon and ligament. most especially on the single arm pull.
This is why all the great champion fighters are feather weight girls
[QUOTE=gareththomasnz;1190211]This is why all the great champion fighters are feather weight girls[/QUOTE]
I won’t call those guys “feather weight girls”.
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