I know that i preach nonviolence at times and that you shouldnt waste your energy going to competitions like these, HOWEVER, we see in so many CMA circles, or at least i have, this propencity to downgrade the MMA fighters and say that they have no real skill or talent. Given that in these competitions there are some things that are not allowed IE: groin strikes, biting ,gouges, things of that nature. But we also see time and time again the MMA folks triumph over these so called CMA practitioners. Why is that? is it because the CMA world is more dominated by hollywood theatrics? and routines that do not serve any purpose other than to look showy? WHy have we yet to see a REAL CMA master in these competitions to turn the cma world in the favor of those who would down it?
Hsing i ,choy lay fut,hung gar,etc seem to be the most fight oriented and agressive of the CMA’s. How is it that we do not see these systems displayed in the UFC arena?
Most CMA people just dont train properly. MMA is the popular way to go in the sport fighting arenas because it has been shown to work. Those that go into sport fighting have a propensity to train intensely in their chosen arts and are in top condition.
Its like when you see those videos of some grappler kicking the crap out of some silk wearing kung fu guy or gi wearing karate guy. The grappling or MMA guy always looks like he is in great shape, looks mean (has a fighting attitude about him when the time comes) and ready to fight. I have yet to see a video of some guy who is doing a traditional art that has these things.
Of course most of these videos are put out there by mma or grappling types so I imagine if CMA types were putting videos out there you would see something different.
Take this test anytime, walk into a few TMA dojo/kwoons and see who is there, how hard they are traiing and what sort of conditioning they are doing and then go to your local grappling or mma school. In my experience the kwoons tend to be filled with people who are looking for some sort of spiritual experience, They tend to be “softer” then the kind of people you find in an mma school o rgrappling school.
This of course is a generalization, I have run into some pretty hard TMA people and osme pretty soft mma/grappling types. For some reason I think they generally just invite different types of people.
Willow Sword…I also wonder where are these guys in San Da and San Shou tourneys( full contact CMA events )??? The truth is what MerryPrankster said…they don’t care. They automatically assume that they will eyegouge their way to victory like the karate guys say they will chop/elbow their way to victory! Does that did step up are frown upon as fighting in gladiator type settings! Even in the realm of San Shou. Hell I don’t even get it…Yip Man told his students to go out their on rooftop battles to try out your style. So not everyone is caught up in mystics.
i think it would depend on the mentality…to be truly effective in CMA i think it would require hours of training EVERYDAY…for years and years…like many of the genuine traditional masters out there…
and i defniitely agree with merryprankster…what you COULD learn in CMA could be very deadly to use even in the mildest of situations
We dont see CMA in UFC because no one is training for it. Like any sport you need to train spacifically for it, boxers train according to who they will fight not just boxing in general, and UFC is no different. If you want to win you must train for it.
You will not see any pure art dominate it, even the BJJ people cross train (MMA) for NHB fighting.
Can someone in CMA win a UFC? Sure, if he trains for it.
If you want to enter ANY form of competition you need to train for it.
If not, you might still do ok but your chances of winning (goal of a competition) might be limited.
Especially in one on one competition you need to train for your adversary.
Funnily enough I have read many stories of MA guys of days gone by that when heard that there was a certain MA guy in the vicinity they specialised their training into compensating for his strong and weak points.
(Specific iron skill training, etc.)
In short they would not fight him without being prepared for that specific Opponent.
They kinda knew that your training needs to be tailored to your opponents skill.
so we see that in the UFC there nothing but grapplers and mma guys which all turn into grapplers in the fight. So i guess if the CMA world that DOES care about stepping up could rent all these vids that are out and actually study the fights and then train to deal with the grappling and the take downs. RIGHT? For every ufc match that i have watched that is all that happens,they collide and then go to the ground and the one that has the upper hand on the ground wins.
So how does one train against the grappler? distance maybe?
iron palm and bone training to deliver a blow that not only disables the advancing opponent but also breaks something of the opponent as well.
note that right now i am on the surface level of the fighting aspects here, and in combat i DO understand that all spiritual and ethical values go right out the window, with grace, style and technique(it seems in certain instances).
hsing i (for instance) trains to hit a point and hit it hard,Hard enough to really do damage, and the vital point would be kosher in the ufc match IE: Face(nose) xyphoid process(that dip in the middle of the chest) side of face(that point between ear and jaw).
or even a kick(the section where the internal organs rest) or the point of the hip joint and leg. when struck with a decent amount of force these areas can literally stop you in your tracks, even if you are on an adrenaline rush.
uhh so anyway ,the training for the specific opponent ,which, in this case, is the grappler. there is enough tapes out there to study.
agreed. i’d wager MP would offer that he changes his tactics depending on which tourney he enters.
think of it like a spelling bee. want to get good at that? then i doubt you’ll focus on your geography. both are legit fields of study and have their worth, but proficiency in one does not mean proficiency in another.
or better yet, take beauty pageants. some contestants use shagging of judges as a way to earn points. some don’t. and some pageants “allow” it, and some don’t. so the person most up on the quirks of a given test have an advantage that other contestants don’t. the girl who researched and knows that judge smith likes latex will have an advantage over the girl who just thinks a traditional puritan shag will be adequate.
I see a few possible problems with training for a UFC fight:
1.) Time & money constraints.
You would really need to train either part of full-time towards the fight.
2.) Finding a sparring partner that is willing to let you do your thing while he does his BJJ, MMA or whatever.
Most Schools will want you to fight their way when training/sparring with them.
If those and a few other aspects can be covered than, yes, we could see a CMA guy winning in those comps.
Originally posted by Shadow Dragon
[B]Willow Sword.
I see a few possible problems with training for a UFC fight:
1.) Time & money constraints.
You would really need to train either part of full-time towards the fight.
2.) Finding a sparring partner that is willing to let you do your thing while he does his BJJ, MMA or whatever.
Most Schools will want you to fight their way when training/sparring with them.
If those and a few other aspects can be covered than, yes, we could see a CMA guy winning in those comps.
Cheers. [/B]
Start small. many cities have local MMA competiitons. You can move up from there. Quentin Jackson went to my high school and started by figting in a few local events. From there he went on to king of the cage and pride.
If nobody at your school is interested in sparring in NHB format, then go to a local MMA school if you have one, or a school that does do MMA style sparring. I gurantee they won’t care about what style you fight with.
