[SIZE=3]Greetings! I am a new member from New Jersey.
I used to study Shaolin, Qin-Na, Sanda, and Jeet Kune Do when I was young, but I switched to internal arts eventually. Currently I am learning Chen Style Hunyuan Tai Chi under Master Wang Feng Ming, a disciple of late Grandmaster Feng Zhi Qiang. He teaches in NJ, NY, and CT. Here is his website: http://www.worldtaiji.com/
Switching to internal martial arts is a big commitment for me, as the payoff does not come immediately. I am curious to see how many of you have made similar switches after you learned the external styles, and what prompted you to make that switch.
Also, I’d like to hear your comments on the pros and cons of different Kung Fu styles, as you have seen more than one style already and probably have more knowledge than a single-style practitioner.
[QUOTE=taiji24;1261685][SIZE=3]Greetings! I am a new member from New Jersey.
I used to study Shaolin, Qin-Na, Sanda, and Jeet Kune Do when I was young, but I switched to internal arts eventually. Currently I am learning Chen Style Hunyuan Tai Chi under Master Wang Feng Ming, a disciple of late Grandmaster Feng Zhi Qiang. He teaches in NJ, NY, and CT. Here is his website: http://www.worldtaiji.com/
Switching to internal martial arts is a big commitment for me, as the payoff does not come immediately. I am curious to see how many of you have made similar switches after you learned the external styles, and what prompted you to make that switch.
Also, I’d like to hear your comments on the pros and cons of different Kung Fu styles, as you have seen more than one style already and probably have more knowledge than a single-style practitioner.
I look forward to your insights![/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Despite my many years in CMA, when people talk about switching from external to internal, I am extremely clueless on what they are talking about and I guess I will never get it.
They share the same attributes. My reference is that it pertains to levels of training and not external or internal. Just saying…
When you assume that people have switched from “external” to “internal”, you have assumed that “internal” is superior than “external”. Should you also ask how many people have switched from “internal” to “external”?
Whether someone is “internal” or “external” is wholly dependent on the level they have achieved, and has little to do with the “style”. And where does one stop and the other start? I’ve met some long-time practitioners of so-called internal systems who were far less internal than many long-time practitioners of so-called external systems, including some karate experts.
There has been a belief that ‘internal’ stylists age more gracefully and retain more ability and good health as they become older, but there are many instances where that is just not the case.
Whatever art(s) one chooses to pursue, the most important thing is that it feels right for you, rather than if it’s labeled as an internal or external art.
Almost two years ago I had open heart surgery. I tried getting back into training Northern Mantis right away, but my power and mobility were gone. So I began training Yang style Taijiquan (Liu Yunchaio abstract). It helped me get my power and mobility back. Now I am back to training and teaching Mantis. Taijiquan was a great filler art for getting my health back!
Though I prefer Mantis as a means of self-defense, I believe that Taijiquan improved my overall shenfa and was a more appropriate low intensity workout for my recovery.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1261715]Almost two years ago I had open heart surgery. I tried getting back into training Northern Mantis right away, but my power and mobility were gone. So I began training Yang style Taijiquan (Liu Yunchaio abstract). It helped me get my power and mobility back. Now I am back to training and teaching Mantis. Taijiquan was a great filler art for getting my health back!
Though I prefer Mantis as a means of self-defense, I believe that Taijiquan improved my overall shenfa and was a more appropriate low intensity workout for my recovery.[/QUOTE]
mooyingmantis, thank you so much. This is the kind of insights I am looking for.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1261712]When you assume that people have switched from “external” to “internal”, you have assumed that “internal” is superior than “external”. Should you also ask how many people have switched from “internal” to “external”?[/QUOTE]
Sorry if I left the wrong impression - I am not looking to validate an assumption that “internal” is superior or vice versa. I have practiced other styles myself (Sanda, Qin Na, JKD) and will definitely use them when appropriate.
Actually I really don’t mind if the original question is framed as “who have switched from internal to external styles and why”. I am trying to understand how people are making these decisions and the context of it, not a religious debate on which one is superior. Fundamentally, I think every martial art that survives thus far has its deserved place.
Again, I am looking to understand the journey of others and see how that can relate to mine. I hope this clarifies.
[QUOTE=taiji24;1261726]who have switched from internal to external styles and why?[/QUOTE]
Taiji was my 1st CMA style that I learned when I was 7. I tried to use my Taiji to fight without much luck. When I was 11, my brother in law taught me the 2nd CMA style Lohan. He asked me to train “1 step 3 punches” for 3 years. Since I could use what he taught me in fighting, I always have more faith in those “external” styles than in those “internal” styles. Today I don’t care “external” or 'internal". All I care is still “head meets fist/ground”.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1261715]Almost two years ago I had open heart surgery. I tried getting back into training Northern Mantis right away, but my power and mobility were gone. So I began training Yang style Taijiquan (Liu Yunchaio abstract). It helped me get my power and mobility back. Now I am back to training and teaching Mantis. Taijiquan was a great filler art for getting my health back!
Though I prefer Mantis as a means of self-defense, I believe that Taijiquan improved my overall shenfa and was a more appropriate low intensity workout for my recovery.[/QUOTE]
Just curious - Have you looked at Taiji Mantis after learning Yang Style Taiji? (I don’t know anything about Taiji Mantis.)
That was funny. You know you’re out of shape and balance when you have to walk over to a wall to hold yourself up just to show your students the bottom of your foot.
From the beginning of my martial arts training I have practice both the so called internal and external at the same time. I’ve been studying over 30 years and still can’t tell you what the difference is. Maybe it’s doing forms slow…who knows. I practice all my forms, internal and external slow and fast. Tai Chi and other forms should be practiced at all speeds, both left and right, and on different terrain and elevations. When I practice the external forms I breathe. When I practice the internal forms I breathe. When I practice chi kung I breathe. They all cultivate energy, power and teach applications, so again, what’s the difference? The most important thing in martial arts, as you acquire skills and develop your body, is to pressure test yourself against opponents so you can actually learn to fight. Otherwise it’s just dance and exercise, which is also okay, but it’s not martial.
I agree with YouKnowWho here…
Today I don’t care “external” or 'internal". All I care is still “head meets fist/ground”.
The problem is that most internal martial arts nowadays are degraded and are not genuine.
I practice Southern Shaolin kung fu, and the internal aspect has been kept intact due to the directness of the lineage. All in our school experience the benefits of genuine internal training. Radiant health and vitality, mental clarity, internal force, and spiritual joys. The payoff actually comes quite quickly, in less than a year I was experiencing these benefits to some degree and it only gets better the longer I train.
[QUOTE=GoldenBrain;1261800]That was funny. You know you’re out of shape and balance when you have to walk over to a wall to hold yourself up just to show your students the bottom of your foot.
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Lol. Out of shape martial arts instructors talking about ‘training’ are always funny - I always think “when’s the last time you even did any”? It’s a bit like my son’s business studies teacher - somehow I can’t quite take him seriously, seeing as how he’s teaching the subject and not running a successful business.
[QUOTE=Neeros;1261809]Have you trained with us at some point?[/QUOTE]
Dear David,
Why do I sense that you’re about to attempt to entangle me in one of the many ways your cult-ish group uses language games to distract yourself from reality? I haven’t trained with you - I had already been exposed to wushu of exceptional quality, from Mainland China, long before I became aware of your rather worrying group. So you could say that I was immunised. But before you ask, I have been to one of your classes to ask the instructor why you are all so obnoxious about your clearly rather ridiculously low level.
Health is great! Some deception is OK when people fall for it as they have no choice but it is accepted, at least by the believer!
I, on the other hand, go bat sh&t and ape sh&t when I see those type of parlour tricks since they do nothing to make the art, a feasible method for self discovery and understanding.
This is the ultimate debasement of an art. Just another foolish view so it is my deception only! I can’t believe people fall for this stuff, really:cool:
I started my training as a child in Judo and Karate (goju ryu)
I’ve been doing kung fu for the past 19 years..
I started out more as an external martial artist. Over the years and through a lot of study with Tai Chi, I would say I have
a little bit of external with a lot of internal in my martial art.
[QUOTE=taiji24;1261799]Just curious - Have you looked at Taiji Mantis after learning Yang Style Taiji? (I don’t know anything about Taiji Mantis.)[/QUOTE]
The two are not related. My friend, Will Willams, who studies Taiji Mantis under Zhou Zhendong in Yantai, China has this to say about Taiji Mantis on his website:
The name Taiji has nothing to do with the style Taiji Quan, it is merely a nod at the philosophical principles of Yin and Yang which are present in every aspect of the style.
Why do I sense that you’re about to attempt to entangle me in one of the many ways your cult-ish group uses language games to distract yourself from reality? I haven’t trained with you - I had already been exposed to wushu of exceptional quality, from Mainland China, long before I became aware of your rather worrying group. So you could say that I was immunised. But before you ask, I have been to one of your classes to ask the instructor why you are all so obnoxious about your clearly rather ridiculously low level.[/QUOTE]
Because I clearly was trying to entangle you It was a simple and direct question really. If you haven’t sparred with us, or received our training and practiced it for some time, you really can’t judge us. I’ve seen the benefits of my training first hand both in my personal life and when training with fighters of other systems.
The whole cult/not-a-cult thing has been debated to death really. I am free to explore other systems/styles/ways of thinking, we’re not so rigid as you might think.
only! I can’t believe people fall for this stuff, really:cool: