HHBB, the c back, is good for opening the yang and closing the yin to develop some of the iron body, some of the FCTT, and some of the cotton body, but it has a bad tendency to cause to much yang energy in the hands…
Does an olympic gymnast who does iron cross have, intent?
Does an olympic gymnast who does iron cross have, intent?
Yes, the intent of trying not to feel pain !!
Well, nobody really missed the mark about Pak Mei. Sh1t, maybe not so secret afterall…LOL
It starts slow, benign. A lot of fundamentals, unexplained moves, boring, ugly, mundane. People wanting flash and fancy just wander away, maybe by design? 
Then you learn that this or that has another application, you explore, you discover. Many things have multiple interpretations, one is gentle, the other deadly. Just depends how you hold the hand, and for example, if you target the ear, or the bone behind it…
Our teaching is to not use 4 moves when 3 will do, and not to use 3 when 2 will do, and not to use 2 when 1 will do.
Breaking bones is a fast way to stop a fight. Raking eyes and attacking other weak points is a good way to get the opening to break bones. That’s just the way it works, we’re sprinters, not long distance runners.
The system takes advantage of short power (faat ging) and combinations that anticipate the reaction and key on what position the opponent will move to, not necessarily where he is, thus the reputation for being so fast.
We practice with full power, intent and exertion, thus the natural development of deliverable power.
There is no ultimate system, kung fu travels with the man, and it takes a long time to learn Pak Mei, maybe 10 years to become proficient, not a lot of men get there.
But yes, you come across a good Pak Mei guy, he will try to f**K you up, that’s what we do. Don’t expect a warning shot, we don’t believe in the kinder gentler side of martial morality. I think its the Daoist side, some live, some die, its all part of the balance. None of my boys have ever left a street opponent standing.
The best American practitioners are probably from the Chan Dor line, and you’ll not ever find it. There is a lot of Futsan Pak Mei, which, with few exceptions, does not talk to my 24 years of training in the art. I like the look of Zhong Luo in San Fran, but he’s getting into MMA, and that says something to me as well. I met a female student of Man Kwong Fong, at my level, and she had the goods. There are probably less than 20 masters alive and teaching worldwide.
HSK…
My Sifu, who’s grandfather was an indoor student of Chen Yong Fa’s grandfather, and who to this day is a friend of the family, has very high regard for and understanding of CLF.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987245]Well, nobody really missed the mark about Pak Mei. Sh1t, maybe not so secret afterall…LOL
It starts slow, benign. A lot of fundamentals, unexplained moves, boring, ugly, mundane. People wanting flash and fancy just wander away, maybe by design?
Then you learn that this or that has another application, you explore, you discover. Many things have multiple interpretations, one is gentle, the other deadly. Just depends how you hold the hand, and for example, if you target the ear, or the bone behind it…
Our teaching is to not use 4 moves when 3 will do, and not to use 3 when 2 will do, and not to use 2 when 1 will do.
Breaking bones is a fast way to stop a fight. Raking eyes and attacking other weak points is a good way to get the opening to break bones. That’s just the way it works, we’re sprinters, not long distance runners.
The system takes advantage of short power (faat ging) and combinations that anticipate the reaction and key on what position the opponent will move to, not necessarily where he is, thus the reputation for being so fast.
We practice with full power, intent and exertion, thus the natural development of deliverable power.
There is no ultimate system, kung fu travels with the man, and it takes a long time to learn Pak Mei, maybe 10 years to become proficient, not a lot of men get there.
But yes, you come across a good Pak Mei guy, he will try to f**K you up, that’s what we do. Don’t expect a warning shot, we don’t believe in the kinder gentler side of martial morality. I think its the Daoist side, some live, some die, its all part of the balance. None of my boys have ever left a street opponent standing.
The best American practitioners are probably from the Chan Dor line, and you’ll not ever find it. There is a lot of Futsan Pak Mei, which, with few exceptions, does not talk to my 24 years of training in the art. I like the look of Zhong Luo in San Fran, but he’s getting into MMA, and that says something to me as well. I met a female student of Man Kwong Fong, at my level, and she had the goods. There are probably less than 20 masters alive and teaching worldwide.
HSK…
My Sifu, who’s grandfather was an indoor student of Chen Yong Fa’s grandfather, and who to this day is a friend of the family, has very high regard for and understanding of CLF.[/QUOTE]
Well said,
I disagree about the 10 year thing though.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987250]Well said,
I disagree about the 10 year thing though.[/QUOTE]
Yea, Sifu lived with SiGung for 5 years, but that was a live in training, working security at night in the club business thing. We are slow, fair enough. But thorough 
There is one thing to learn some moves, another to learn the system. A well trained martial artist can get the Pak Mei touch quicker, and many have. It is transferable that way.
It also starts as external hard style, and evolves into an internal soft style.
I think its fair to compare it to SPM, but SPM develops the touch by dynamic tension from what little I have seen, we use another path.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987245]
The best American practitioners are probably from the Chan Dor line, and you’ll not ever find it. There is a lot of Futsan Pak Mei, which, with few exceptions, does not talk to my 24 years of training in the art. I like the look of Zhong Luo in San Fran, but he’s getting into MMA, and that says something to me as well. I met a female student of Man Kwong Fong, at my level, and she had the goods. There are probably less than 20 masters alive and teaching worldwide.
[/QUOTE]
Would you list the top U.S. practitioners, or did you?
[QUOTE=kfson;987278]Would you list the top U.S. practitioners, or did you?[/QUOTE]
What I said is as politically volatile as I’m willing to get, bro. Also, I just like to speak about what I have seen, not what other people say.
Of course, being stateside, I’m certainly the best stateside at the moment…at least that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. LOL
uki
the system revolves around striking areas that kill or maim… merdian and accupuncture points, eyes, throat, etc, with the sole intention of destroying the target and incapacitating the opponent… fueled and driven for vegenence was this system developed.
oh i’m sorry…i could have sworn CLF did that…but i can see i’m wrong…:rolleyes:
so during your training, how many people have you actually maimed or killed?
How do you actually know your stuff is sooo deadly when you face a non willing opponent who wants to hurt you as much as you think u will hurt him?
Watch out!
http://dragonhousemma.com/fight-team/
Who is teaching this art? and where?
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;987280]uki
oh i’m sorry…i could have sworn CLF did that…but i can see i’m wrong…:rolleyes:
so during your training, how many people have you actually maimed or killed?
How do you actually know your stuff is sooo deadly when you face a non willing opponent who wants to hurt you as much as you think u will hurt him?[/QUOTE]
Personally I’ve been killed 11 times, and lost 4 eyes. But, hey, you got to pay your dues…
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987279]What I said is as politically volatile as I’m willing to get, bro. Also, I just like to speak about what I have seen, not what other people say.
Of course, being stateside, I’m certainly the best stateside at the moment…at least that’s my story, and I’m sticking to it. LOL[/QUOTE]
I guess one is either from the NYC or the San Fran crew.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987271]Yea, Sifu lived with SiGung for 5 years, but that was a live in training, working security at night in the club business thing. We are slow, fair enough. But thorough
There is one thing to learn some moves, another to learn the system. A well trained martial artist can get the Pak Mei touch quicker, and many have. It is transferable that way.
It also starts as external hard style, and evolves into an internal soft style.
I think its fair to compare it to SPM, but SPM develops the touch by dynamic tension from what little I have seen, we use another path.[/QUOTE]
All of the southern hand share much in common and much that they don’t share.
One southern hands can transfer pretty well to another.
To me a system is “known” when one can apply it and apply it well in a fight.
It make take years to perfect it, that is a given, but if it takes years to be able to use it, then a system like that is in ferior to one that can be used in less time.
Its only logical.
Personally I’ve been killed 11 times, and lost 4 eyes. But, hey, you got to pay your dues…
oh i got you beat…ive been killed 21 times now…but only lost one eye. paying dues sucks!!! lol
[QUOTE=kfson;987282]Watch out!
http://dragonhousemma.com/fight-team/[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I like the looks of Sifu Luo, but he’s going MMA, and that says something to me as well.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987292]Like I said, I like the looks of Sifu Luo, but he’s going MMA, and that says something to me as well.[/QUOTE]
Are you Hispanic from NYC, pardon my forwardness.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;987292]Like I said, I like the looks of Sifu Luo, but he’s going MMA, and that says something to me as well.[/QUOTE]
Don’t assume why people do things.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987290]All of the southern hand share much in common and much that they don’t share.
One southern hands can transfer pretty well to another.
To me a system is “known” when one can apply it and apply it well in a fight.
It make take years to perfect it, that is a given, but if it takes years to be able to use it, then a system like that is in ferior to one that can be used in less time.
Its only logical.[/QUOTE]
Well, perhaps I have a more self indulgent perspective on what an art has to offer. I acknowledge the efficiency argument, and it is right for most people.
As we already have agreed, using it is sometimes easier than perfecting the style to the point where you can pass it on.
I think of it as the gift that keeps on giving…
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987296]Don’t assume why people do things.[/QUOTE]
I said it says something, not what it says… So, what do you assume I’m getting at? :D:D
[QUOTE=kfson;987294]Are you Hispanic from NYC, pardon my forwardness.[/QUOTE]
No, I’m a Yank from Sydney, Australia.