Steel Toed Prostate Kick with those piercing daggers is a little dangerous to train a lot. Had an incident years back where a student lost his eye in a two man form. LMAAAAAAAAO! Ch-ch-ch, ha, ch ha…Jason VOORHEES, 4th generation disciple of BAAAAAAAAAAAAK MEEEEEEEEEEEI, undefeated chess master.
Actually, there is a groovy kick in the tech 9 step. As you go to do the reverse right palm claw to fist you switch balance to the front leg, right leg that is…Anyways that left hidden kick underneath there is pretty cool, and obviously powerful against trees. I have never tried it out in a match though.:eek:
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;987151]i know you can’t be serious!!!
My Fu Jow will rip your flesh from your bones…those who’ve met me personally know i know how to use a proper tiger claw. secondly, it’s clear you don’t understand the inner workings of CLF. I won’t explain that here.
so, you say a bak mei student would maim or kill their opponents. now that leads me to this question…“HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE BEEN KILLED OR MAIMED IN A BAK MEI CLASS OR TRAINING SESSION?”
That’s the most ridiculous statement i’ve ever heard in my gung fu career.[/QUOTE]
“with my right foot, I can knock out that knife.
with my left, I can break your nose.
With this hand, I can pokeout your eyes.
With this, I can break your neck.
Take a good look at my face. I’m an Oriental. Hssss!”
-“They Call Me Bruce”
for some reason, I can’t post videos..pc is fuked, but go to youtube and punch in They Call Me Bruce-this scene is hysterical.(“Give that lady back her purse!”)
The real deadly:
“I am gonna take my right foot and kick you on the right side of your face and you know what?
There is not a **** thing you can do about it”.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987175]The real deadly:
“I am gonna take my right foot and kick you on the right side of your face and you know what?
There is not a **** thing you can do about it”.[/QUOTE]
I will use uplifting force at your exposed hamstring before the kick lands. Back, let me introduce you to the hard ground.
Honestly, I just don’t think that many people train Bak Mei that way, that much. I hope that I am wrong though. For example, do you know that many people who truly train phoenix cracking bamboo for kol la? Iron Broom?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987155]Intent has nothing to do with the system and everything to do with the practioner.
There are deadly Taiji people I know and taiji is hardly “the deadly”.
You are right about one thing, you are a noob, no offense.
In the grappling arts ( and I am NOT a grappler) you are taught to:
Break arms and joints, to dislocate the neck and kill by choking and strangulation, you are taught to incapcitate by dropping people on their heads and in ways that can cripple them.
To cripple them by breaking elbows, dislocationg shoulder and ankles and knees, by crushing their larynx and much more.
Sounds pretty deadly too, no?
Much more than “poaking a finger in someone’s eye”.[/QUOTE]
I actually said gouging eyes which implies forcing the eyes from the socket by jamming your fingers behind them. It was just an off hand example not meant to be taken too literally.
I understand that many grappling arts teach joint locking and that it would be relatively easy to destroy limbs and joints that way. I also understand that the same methods used to choke someone out can be used to crush the larynx or kill.
There are different methods of accomplishing these things though and one could argue that kung fu methods are more direct. Boxers can kill people too but they are also condidtioned by the rules of the sport they are training to compete in. In a boxing class you are not taught specifically how to kill. You are trained not to hit certain areas that can lead to serious injuries like the back of the head. Boxing is more of a war of attrition that could lead to death whereas other systems train specific techniques to kill, more of a one shot one kill type mentallity. I’m not trashing boxing, I enjoy it, but it is a system that trains for sport.
Just like a target shooter vs. a sniper. One is training to shoot at targets and the other is training to kill people.
If the systems don’t matter and the techniques don’t matter then what is the point in training in the first place?
[QUOTE=Kpower;987187]I actually said gouging eyes which implies forcing the eyes from the socket by jamming your fingers behind them. It was just an off hand example not meant to be taken too literally.
I understand that many grappling arts teach joint locking and that it would be relatively easy to destroy limbs and joints that way. I also understand that the same methods used to choke someone out can be used to crush the larynx or kill.
There are different methods of accomplishing these things though and one could argue that kung fu methods are more direct. Boxers can kill people too but they are also condidtioned by the rules of the sport they are training to compete in. In a boxing class you are not taught specifically how to kill. You are trained not to hit certain areas that can lead to serious injuries like the back of the head. Boxing is more of a war of attrition that could lead to death whereas other systems train specific techniques to kill, more of a one shot one kill type mentallity. I’m not trashing boxing, I enjoy it, but it is a system that trains for sport.
Just like a target shooter vs. a sniper. One is training to shoot at targets and the other is training to kill people.
If the systems don’t matter and the techniques don’t matter then what is the point in training in the first place?[/QUOTE]
Wouldn’t it be beneficial to have one punch-one knock down… unless you’re a Cassius Clay… but that was entertainment.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;987182]Honestly, I just don’t think that many people train Bak Mei that way, that much. I hope that I am wrong though. [/quote]the lesson from bak mei is truly about focusing intention of the most dispicable kinds…
For example, do you know that many people who truly train phoenix cracking bamboo for kol la? Iron Broom?
i can’t say i do… but again, here is the concept of focused intention… the system was devolped by an individual of great strength already, he merely fueled focus into what he was capable of and put it into practice… the concepts of this system are profoundly simple - amazing what abit of ill-concieved individuality can do to the martial arts world.
how many teachers are teaching watered down methods for the sake of civility, ethics, and morals?? lack of intention is the plague of these so-called “career martial artists”… lol
i am glad i caught frost looking at this thread earlier… good suff!!
[QUOTE=uki;987195]the lesson from bak mei is truly about focusing intention of the most dispicable kinds…
i can’t say i do… but again, here is the concept of focused intention… the system was devolped by an individual of great strength already, he merely fueled focus into what he was capable of and put it into practice… the concepts of this system are profoundly simple - amazing what abit of ill-concieved individuality can do to the martial arts world.
how many teachers are teaching watered down methods for the sake of civility, ethics, and morals?? lack of intention is the plague of these so-called “career martial artists”… lol
i am glad i caught frost looking at this thread earlier… good suff!! :p[/QUOTE]
All I know about this style is a couple internet videos and internet encyclopedia.
Please explain “intention of the most despicable kinds…”.
[QUOTE=Kpower;987187]I actually said gouging eyes which implies forcing the eyes from the socket by jamming your fingers behind them. It was just an off hand example not meant to be taken too literally.
I understand that many grappling arts teach joint locking and that it would be relatively easy to destroy limbs and joints that way. I also understand that the same methods used to choke someone out can be used to crush the larynx or kill.
There are different methods of accomplishing these things though and one could argue that kung fu methods are more direct. Boxers can kill people too but they are also condidtioned by the rules of the sport they are training to compete in. In a boxing class you are not taught specifically how to kill. You are trained not to hit certain areas that can lead to serious injuries like the back of the head. Boxing is more of a war of attrition that could lead to death whereas other systems train specific techniques to kill, more of a one shot one kill type mentallity. I’m not trashing boxing, I enjoy it, but it is a system that trains for sport.
Just like a target shooter vs. a sniper. One is training to shoot at targets and the other is training to kill people.
If the systems don’t matter and the techniques don’t matter then what is the point in training in the first place?[/QUOTE]
One shot, one kill mentality was something carried over from armed combat into unarmed and it is applicable to “intent” and not to any system or technique.
The skill set for a target shooter and a sniper is bacially the same, I would know, I was a sniper.
The intent is different and that is something that is “looked for” and not something that sniper school cultivates per say.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987203]The intent is different and that is something that is “looked for” and not something that sniper school cultivates per say.[/QUOTE]
unless you’re someone like me, who has an utter disdain and hatred for paper sillouette targets. They must all die.
[QUOTE=kfson;987201]Please explain “intention of the most despicable kinds…”.[/QUOTE]the system revolves around striking areas that kill or maim… merdian and accupuncture points, eyes, throat, etc, with the sole intention of destroying the target and incapacitating the opponent… fueled and driven for vegenence was this system developed.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;987207]So How does Bak Mei, or any art, train intent? Better said, how do you train intent?:)[/QUOTE]
Some systems cultivate through the “reptile brain”, certain positions ( “c” back) are suppose to activate those most primal of instincts.
The very nature of the INTENT behind the moves is suppose to create this “killer instinct” also, and there is more.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;987209]unless you’re someone like me, who has an utter disdain and hatred for paper sillouette targets. They must all die.[/QUOTE]i like poking card board boxes…
[QUOTE=uki;987215]the system revolves around striking areas that kill or maim… merdian and accupuncture points, eyes, throat, etc, with the sole intention of destroying the target and incapacitating the opponent… fueled and driven for vegenence was this system developed. :)[/QUOTE]
