I am impressed with the effectiveness of white Eyebrow, but it seems like all of the moves are intended to kill or cripple. Is there more to this art than that?
Nope.
Hi curious,
The anwser is simply yes. There is a less distructive way to do Bak Mei. But than again, will you be getting your money’s worth?
Students in the begining would be taught the less destructive version. For example in Jik bo (Straight Steps), the finger jab can be use as an intercepting move, and the cross that follows will be a simlpe reverse punch instead of a pheonix-eye (the machanics of that is different from a reverse punch). IMHO, it can be done but it feels like it’s empty inside.
Hope this anwsered your question.
Peace to all
Mantis108
P.S. Bak Mei is Kung Fu not martial sports please keep that in mind. You are wasting your time if you try to understand it from that angle.
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[QUOTE=curious;23974]I am impressed with the effectiveness of white Eyebrow, but it seems like all of the moves are intended to kill or cripple. [/quote]yep.
Is there more to this art than that?
nope.
Wow, I really like this Bak Mei.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX0Xx6OnQ-g
Who are the top practitioners in the U.S.?
its a good system, but in my experience, people that are CLF students have taken this style and all have mentioned how they wanted to go back to CLF.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;987123]its a good system, but in my experience, people that are CLF students have taken this style and all have mentioned how they wanted to go back to CLF.[/QUOTE]
Why is that?
Styles and systems aren’t deadly, people are.
[QUOTE=B-Rad;987118]…[/QUOTE]
…indeed.
Why is that?
from what they’ve told me they preferred the fighting method of CLF after learning bak Mei.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;987130]from what they’ve told me they preferred the fighting method of CLF after learning bak Mei.[/QUOTE]yeah because you can actually spar in CLF as opposed to bak mei where you and your opponent are more likely to be maimed or killed. 
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;987127]Styles and systems aren’t deadly, people are.[/QUOTE]which explains the exodus from bak mei back to CLF… some people just don’t have it in them to study purely maiming and killing folks. 
which explains the exodus from bak mei back to CLF… some people just don’t have it in them to study purely maiming and killing folks.
Nah, it has zero to do with the system.
Sure a system can pick up a rep because of a certain practitioner or two, but that has to do with them and not the system per say.
yeah because you can actually spar in CLF as opposed to bak mei where you and your opponent are more likely to be maimed or killed.
i know you can’t be serious!!!
My Fu Jow will rip your flesh from your bones…those who’ve met me personally know i know how to use a proper tiger claw. secondly, it’s clear you don’t understand the inner workings of CLF. I won’t explain that here.
so, you say a bak mei student would maim or kill their opponents. now that leads me to this question…“HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE BEEN KILLED OR MAIMED IN A BAK MEI CLASS OR TRAINING SESSION?”
which explains the exodus from bak mei back to CLF… some people just don’t have it in them to study purely maiming and killing folks.
That’s the most ridiculous statement i’ve ever heard in my gung fu career.
I know I’m just a noob and all but it seems like it IS the system. The goal of the system has to be taken into account. A system like wrestling aims at submission whereas some systems aim at vital points striking, destroying joints and gouging eyes and whatnot. I know that wrestlers can be potentially deadly and they can choke you out and kill you but other systems seem more direct. If I have been training and conditioning my fingers to gouge out eyeballs and my oponent is training to pin me then I would say that my art is more “deadly” because the intent is different.
I have never been killed or maimed in a Bak Mei training class. People kill, not arts. It’s Intent! AIIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! This is the best we can get going on here. The reputation of Bak Mei yadda yadda…The reputation of CLC yadda yadda.
It contains practical methods, like most MARTIAL arts…Such as in the 9 step push…Yeah that’s right; don’t forget about the tech 9 step…
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, PIERCE FINGERS THROUGH THEIR EYE!
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, PHOENIX THROUGH THEIR HEART!
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, CLAW FLESH, PULL CLOSE, BITE NECK (No wait, that is for a push into an oncoming bus, after they bounce of the bus, THEN you can bite the neck…) LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=Kpower;987152]I know I’m just a noob and all but it seems like it IS the system. The goal of the system has to be taken into account. A system like wrestling aims at submission whereas some systems aim at vital points striking, destroying joints and gouging eyes and whatnot. I know that wrestlers can be potentially deadly and they can choke you out and kill you but other systems seem more direct. If I have been training and conditioning my fingers to gouge out eyeballs and my oponent is training to pin me then I would say that my art is more “deadly” because the intent is different.[/QUOTE]
Intent has nothing to do with the system and everything to do with the practioner.
There are deadly Taiji people I know and taiji is hardly “the deadly”.
You are right about one thing, you are a noob, no offense.
In the grappling arts ( and I am NOT a grappler) you are taught to:
Break arms and joints, to dislocate the neck and kill by choking and strangulation, you are taught to incapcitate by dropping people on their heads and in ways that can cripple them.
To cripple them by breaking elbows, dislocationg shoulder and ankles and knees, by crushing their larynx and much more.
Sounds pretty deadly too, no?
Much more than “poaking a finger in someone’s eye”.
[QUOTE=TAO YIN;987154]I have never been killed or maimed in a Bak Mei training class. People kill, not arts. It’s Intent! AIIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! This is the best we can get going on here. The reputation of Bak Mei yadda yadda…The reputation of CLC yadda yadda.
It contains practical methods, like most MARTIAL arts…Such as in the 9 step push…Yeah that’s right; don’t forget about the tech 9 step…
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, PIERCE FINGERS THROUGH THEIR EYE!
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, PHOENIX THROUGH THEIR HEART!
After you have conditioned your hand and trained, CLAW FLESH, PULL CLOSE, BITE NECK (No wait, that is for a push into an oncoming bus, after they bounce of the bus, THEN you can bite the neck…) LOLOLOL!
:D[/QUOTE]
Don’t forget the steel toe kick to the prostate !!
I’ve seen many Bak Mei schools, and have studied a little bit (Jik Bo, Sup Ji Kuen, Gow Bo Toi, Sup Bot Moor Jow)and I have seen it played very basic, static and hard, and also softer with greater emphasis on coiling power, which is much harder to learn and apply, and takes a great deal of time and patience.
This is why there are so few Bak Mei P’ai people out there.
It is also not a “pretty” style.
CLF on the other hand is much more dynamic, the techniques are easier to apply, and you can fight at an earlier level. CLF has much greater “mass appeal,”
which isn’t to say one is better than the other, just how students think and feel, and may develop personal preferences.
Both styles are brutally effective, and have withstood the test of time and blood.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;987151]i know you can’t be serious!!![/quote]
My Fu Jow will rip your flesh from your bones…those who’ve met me personally know i know how to use a proper tiger claw.
are you implying others do not? do you have some mystical knowledge that no other tiger can possibly aquire??
secondly, it’s clear you don’t understand the inner workings of CLF. I won’t explain that here.
perhaps not by proper definitions…
so, you say a bak mei student would maim or kill their opponents.
if it is done with the intention of why it was created yes… opponents would die.
now that leads me to this question…“HOW MANY STUDENTS HAVE BEEN KILLED OR MAIMED IN A BAK MEI CLASS OR TRAINING SESSION?”
i dunno?? how many?? are we talking this generation or previous ones?? which continent? province?? i am sure the answers are out there somewhere.
That’s the most ridiculous statement i’ve ever heard in my gung fu career.
taking tiger and trying to domesticate it is also pretty ridiculous.