[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979910]I am not asking how to DO it, I am asking how it DOES it.[/QUOTE]
Shut down the reproduction system to gain energy, evoke the Zhen Qi, use massage and intention to lead the Zhen Qi to activate the bone marrow and starts its rebuild /strenghten activity.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979924]You’ve done this I take it?[/QUOTE]
Try some to get a feel on the mechanics which benifit me alots but didnt do the whole process .
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979927]Shut down the reproduction system to gain energy, evoke the Zhen Qi, use massage and intention to lead the Zhen Qi to activate the bone marrow and starts its rebuild /strenghten activity.[/QUOTE]
And bones get stronger that way?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979940]And bones get stronger that way?[/QUOTE]
Yup, senior people are using it to heal the heap join fracture…etc.
jade belt is a yang external excercise where you train the bear hug
its a weight lifting excercise not qigong
“hug a stone drum weighing 400 to 500 pounds lift it up and move around”
[QUOTE=bawang;979974]jade belt is a yang external excercise where you train the bear hug
its a weight lifting excercise not qigong
“hug a stone drum weighing 400 to 500 pounds and move around”[/QUOTE]
What is Qigong? what is not Qigong?
Your opinion is great.
However, let’s look at what it is according to the ancient script without jump gun.
It said,
Jade belt gong or Amitaba Gong, belongs to Yang/hard power, with Yin/soft’s Qi.
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Training method: select a tree which is fit to be hug. hug the tree…
IMHO.
Jumping gun is the biggest problem in this modern world and the biggest cause of one never attain the result. Jumping gun also is the biggest misleading to others leading to " never have attain the power but claim one attain to it." at the end everyone knows how to qoute books partially but clueless on what is it and thus not be able to use it.
this method trains the bear hug and the suplex “zhaoyang shuai” , “soft” as in wrestling.
the beginner pre training is hugging a tree and trying to pull it out with all your power. there is no qi involved
funny how you lie every sentence and say i dont know.
there is a excercise left out from the shaolin “manual”. its done between the two stages. tell me what it is smart guy.
i know you are frantically searching for it on chinese google. dont bother, its not there.
[QUOTE=bawang;979979]this method trains the bear hug and the suplex “zhaoyang shuai” , “soft” as in wrestling.
the beginner pre training is hugging a tree and trying to pull it out with all your power. there is no qi involved
funny how you lie every sentence and say i dont know.
there is a excercise left out from the shaolin “manual”. its done between the two stages. tell me what it is smart guy.
i know you are frantically searching for it on chinese google. dont bother, its not there.[/QUOTE]
you like to make alots of assumption. then when your issue was pointed out you start attacking me as " You lie every senstence". hahaha
The full description of the process is as the following thus no one needs to search for anything, anyone can read it, big deal for your secret exercise. Who cares.
Also, as my reply
http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=979907&postcount=34
it catagory under Shaolin 72 skills in
http://www.shaolins.com/encyclopedia/
Chapter 3 Illustration of Shaolin 72 skills 141
What Qigong? what is Qigong? what is not Qigong? Can you read ? can you discuss like a rational human being?
what are you contributing? to make others more clear or making it confusing? – in the first post you jump gun on process, then your said there is a excercise left out. it is this type of stuffs which screw others big time.
if you like to discuss and have something to add to help other please share. otherwise, what is the point?
lol couldnt find the super duper secret part on baike.com?
the middle process is doing squats with stone weights
weight lifting
this is a common northern external excercise and it has NOTHING to do with qi.
im contributing by saying i actually learned this gong and you are just spitting dog sh1t from some pdf you downloaded on the internet.
dont talk about what you dont know, keep to your wing chun
[QUOTE=bawang;979987]lol couldnt find the super duper secret part on baike.com?
the middle process is doing squats with stone weights
weight lifting
im contributing by saying i actually learned this gong and you are just spitting dog sh1t from some pdf you downloaded on the internet.
this is a common northern external excercise and it has NOTHING to do with qi. there is no supplementary qigong.[/QUOTE]
according to you , sure.
Who care what you made up to boost your ego? I dont.
[QUOTE=bawang;979987]
keep to your wing chun [/QUOTE]
What is the point to insult Wing Chun as Pirate’s chaos martial art?
It shows your true color and true intention of posting isnt it?
my intention is i see u copy and pasting random sh1t from that internet ebook shaolin secret 72 arts pdf and pretending to know kung fu, and i find it offensive
u got caught red handed.
if lifting 500 pound stone weights is internal then karate must be the most internal martial art in the world
[QUOTE=bawang;979992]my intention is i see u copy and pasting random sh1t from that internet ebook shaolin secret 72 arts pdf and pretending to know kung fu, and i find it offensive
u got caught red handed.
if lifting 500 pound stone weights is internal then karate must be the most internal martial art in the world[/QUOTE]
With you taking yourself as the top of the world certainly you can draw this conclusion.
and I wonder do you know how to read without blind by your own thoughts or ego noise.
So what is Qigong? what is not Qigong? what is hard Qigong? what is internal art?
[QUOTE=Minghequan;979460]
For me, my involvement has lead me to believe (and practice) that White Crane Boxing is essentially an Internal art even though it does not seem to be listed as such with regards to the big three (Taiji, Bagua, Hsing-I).
[/QUOTE]
still waiting - you started this topic, tell us how you practice internal 
Sorry, very busy this time of the year.
I guess it comes down to different things to different people. My understanding is this: if your qi/yi or intention is ahead of your movement/strength, then this is internal martial art.
Usually yourself will feel the hands are light while others feel heavy.
I’m no “X spurt” (“X” is an unknown factor and “Spurt” is a drip under pressure!), just a seeker.
Guys lets not get too banged up over what constitutes internal or external as it will be different for different folks. I am more interested in your feeling and views over the possibility that White Crane may be considered to be a soft, fluid , intent driven internal art.
No need for fighting over the subject.
[QUOTE=Minghequan;980001]No need for fighting over the subject.[/QUOTE]
lol, you’ve obviously mistaken this for a thread about White Crane…
sorry for dereailing your thread. i just wanted to point out that guy was copy and pasting.
the answer to your question is, its simple. if you are good enough, you say white crane is internal, then it is internal. if anyone disagrees so what? punch them
but i reall think all this categorizing doesnt matter at all. it wont make any difference and it wont make you any better, maybe attract more hippy students
[QUOTE=bawang;980006]sorry for dereailing your thread. i just wanted to point out that guy was copy and pasting.
[/QUOTE]
Sure, a form mimic-ter thinking he knows it all. hahaha
Seriously,
You are too naive and clueless on the details. sure you might learn something on what you call the exercise. for me those are exercise not Gong with some depth.
however you are clueless on why Jade belt Gong starts with hugging tree and that is why I purposely emphasis on tree hugging.
to stop your jump gun weight lifting and your so called secret exercise which I careless.
evidentally,
You missed the important keys and thus it also said something about your kung fu mastery
level.
If you have practice this type of art properly, do you hug tree? why tree hugging is necessary?
[QUOTE=Minghequan;980001] if your qi/yi or intention is ahead of your movement/strength, then this is internal martial art.
Usually yourself will feel the hands are light while others feel heavy.
[/QUOTE]
Internal art = intention ahead of movement
External art = ??? / no intention ahead of movement ???
A state of mushin/wuxin ???
Some say, this is ultimate “internal art” – no intent, no mind, no ying no yang.
So what is “internal” White Crane, no “intent” White Crane???
Next time, busy, don’t start topic for discussion :eek:
Internal art = intention ahead of movement ------------
Intention lead Qi, Qi transport physical movement = internal art.
However, the is an issue or varien here on what type of Qi. It real Qi or dynamic tension type. That get into soft or hard art. and how deep the penetration of intention can get.
External art = ??? / no intention ahead of movement ??? -----------
Intention DIRECTLY lead physical movement = External art.
A state of mushin/wuxin ???
Some say, this is ultimate internal art no intent, no mind, no ying no yang. -----
Mushin is silence or stillness.
This is the “body”.
While when there is an “application” or creation, Intention is needed and at that point Ying and Yang surface.
One needs to get to Stillness to cultivate the Qi and Shen, where Shen is the one power Yee/Intention. To strong an Yee will consume Qi.
However, one needs the Intention to begin the creation or application.
"body " and “application” are the two faces of a coin.
Body = stillness
Application = Dynamic.