[QUOTE=kfson;979835]Wouldn’t “internal”, as commonly characterized, be described as implicit and explicit?[/QUOTE]
well yeah, in English…
[QUOTE=kfson;979835]Wouldn’t “internal”, as commonly characterized, be described as implicit and explicit?[/QUOTE]
Nope, Nei Kung or “going internal” training is implicit. One can have similar external shape however the internal content is different.
IE:
We all can stand in a tree hugging post but what is train internally can be totally different. based on the intention, the Qi cultivation…etc. and thus, the out come can be totally different.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979881]Nope, Nei Kung or “going internal” training is implicit. One can have similar external shape however the internal content is different.
IE:
We all can stand in a tree hugging post but what is train internally can be totally different. based on the intention, the Qi cultivation…etc. and thus, the out come can be totally different.[/QUOTE]
Hey H, how much can you lift?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979881]Nope, Nei Kung or “going internal” training is implicit. One can have similar external shape however the internal content is different.
IE:
We all can stand in a tree hugging post but what is train internally can be totally different. based on the intention, the Qi cultivation…etc. and thus, the out come can be totally different.[/QUOTE]
In Daoist nei gung, how can you have implicit and deny explicit?
[QUOTE=kfson;979888]In Daoist nei gung, how can you have implicit and deny explicit?[/QUOTE]
simply by definition-outward stillness, inward movement. Noi-gung in some cases, can have nothing to do with posture. There are certain things that are very real, very specific, yet cannot be explained verbally, only felt.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;979892]simply by definition-outward stillness, inward movement. Noi-gung in some cases, can have nothing to do with posture. There are certain things that are very real, very specific, yet cannot be explained verbally, only felt.[/QUOTE]
Substantial / Insubstantial?
well, the problem is that in these cases, words get in the way. What does Hendrick mean when he says implicit/explicit, what do you mean when you say substantial/insubstantial? What does chocolate taste like?
I can say,“Breathe into the dan-tien,” but we know that the air goes into the lungs. ---------
The issue here is a direct translation that is problematic.
But, we also know that putting your intention in your dan-tien, or your awareness/conciousness-(does it make sense to say mind?) Results in feeling your breath originating from dan-tien. ---------
This is also problematic in general.
because steps are needed in this training. and also how to do it is a big issue here. In another words, it goes as detail as the amount of intention and holding of the intention matters.
A different “strenght” in intention produce heaven and earth different in result.
You can say,“Circulate the Hei through the small heavenly cycle,” ------
Until one can evoke the Zhen Qi, and handle their intention properly with proper weighting syncronized with their loose-ness of their physical body, this circulate the Hei stuffs are very misleading and problematic which will cause trouble.
But again, some will say,“You cannot breathe through imaginary pathways, etc..” But only because one feels it, can he say it, while others are still scratching their heads. -------
This is because there is no legit Sifu to coach one.
The same thing goes for breathing through the skin, (although we do recognize the skin as an organ, and respiration occurs through the skin. ---------
This is attain after the the third mile stone of the lower abs breathing. anyone trying to imagine, and make this happen…etc cant get there. It is an advance kung fu it is not up for everyone’s reach.
However, there is a breathing through the skin type of visualization which is different then the above. So, one needs to be carefull on these different stuffs.
I think I can thank Goldfinger for bringing that to my attention) or condensing it within the bones, or through the skin,directing into dan-tien. ------
All these Visualization is trouble because in general one force it. and forcing is problem.
My teacher once said, “Have your energy vibrate from the dan-tien, out to your hands.” Wha??? Until your body starts pulsing and you feel it in your palms. “Sheer nonesense!” It makes absolutely no sense, and yet these are things that we can feel. ------
1, if there is no process but giving an instruction like this is actually asking for trouble.
If there is a process, then one doesnt have to givin instruction like this because things come nature.
2, this type of training is called chassing or attaching to the sensation, a taboo for internal training.
Can you describe, “bringing in the energy from the sun/moon into your middle dan-tien?” -probably not without sounding like a lunatic. -------
For those who train in this type of Kung which absorbe energy from morning sun and mid night moon, they will easily tell you the process, and how to handling the intention, and when to do it after your physical body is well prepare for it and when not to do it… and what is the reaction…etc.
How do you describe intelligently, that “the form leads you. You don’t do the form, the form does you..” -----
Intelligent is the biggest trouble. one doesnt use intelligent to do training. in fact, one drop it.
There are some things I have felt, but have no words, or terms to describe them. ------
This is also a confusion. Dao is simple. it is not up for imagination. It is about let go and drop all the confusion.
Some terms don’t easily translate from Chinese to English. ------
Thus, one needs to attain it and then said it in English. However, not everyone will understand because this is not an intellecture stuffs. One needs to reach the level to know. and to reach the level one needs the process.
Thus, Hung gar IRon wire and WCK SLT are different animal because they use different process.
So, in hopes of having a dialogue, there has to be a back and forth exchange. ----
Sure.
I can also understand if some of this information is something that you have sacrificed long years for, ------
I am not sacrified long years for. I was mislead like most of us. until I need for survival and I look at them closely . It is a totaly mess without meaning.
Then, I look for sifu who really knows and start from begining again.
However, it may resonate in some people who have experienced things and not have been able to recognize the experience. ---------
The public needs to know now lots of so called Internal are just fantasy. But the real internal is so real that is heal the internal organs and disease… it works.
Peace
Does Chi Kung strength your bones? and if yes, how?
What chi kung exercises can I do to help me do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK_HsChcuJk&NR=1
200# itees at 175# Body weight.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979901]Does Chi Kung strength your bones? and if yes, how?[/QUOTE]
Sure, the “washing bone marrow” kung will be able to do this.
Can the implicit exist in a vacuum devoid of the influence of the explicit.
If not, what is the relationship?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979904]Sure, the “washing bone marrow” kung will be able to do this.[/QUOTE]
Please explain how it does that.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979902]What chi kung exercises can I do to help me do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK_HsChcuJk&NR=1
200# itees at 175# Body weight.[/QUOTE]
1, it is not an exercise but a full training.
2, IMHO, The jade belt gong type of stuffs will do it.
http://www.shaolins.com/encyclopedia/
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979906]Please explain how it does that.[/QUOTE]
One needs a sifu on this,
It is an involve and serious process. Some still teaching it in China.
[QUOTE=kfson;979905]Can the implicit exist in a vacuum devoid of the influence of the explicit.
If not, what is the relationship?[/QUOTE]
how is your sleeping posture (explicit) influence your dream (implicit)?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979908]One needs a sifu on this,
It is an involve and serious process. Some still teaching it in China.[/QUOTE]
I am not asking how to DO it, I am asking how it DOES it.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979907]1, it is not an exercise but a full training.
2, IMHO, The jade belt gong type of stuffs will do it.
http://www.shaolins.com/encyclopedia/[/QUOTE]
So, you are suggesting that calisthtics type strength training will do what specialized strength training does?
How long would it take? 1 year? 2 years 3 years?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;979911]So, you are suggesting that calisthtics type strength training will do what specialized strength training does?
How long would it take? 1 year? 2 years 3 years?[/QUOTE]
According to the instruction, it takes two years.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;979921]According to the instruction, it takes two years.
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You’ve done this I take it?