No need to assume.. I said it here:
IMO it’s a byproduct of no or light contact–‘touch me kill me’, training that works best when seen and not needed to be felt.. Like this:
[QUOTE=YungChun;814513]No need to assume.. I said it here:[/QUOTE]
Picky *******.
[QUOTE=YungChun;814474]Actually the egg beater punches (as well as other super fast ‘invisible’ moves) are a big part of the problem in Wing Chun..
This kind of emphasis on unrealistic timing and hand speed ignores key components, like body unity and linking up the body with the hands arms–it makes us forget about time on target and vital penetration with the strikes–it emphasizes speed at the cost of other core attributes…
Unrealistic super fast hand work looks good, if you don’t know what to look for.. IMO it’s a byproduct of no or light contact–‘touch me kill me’, training that works best when seen and not needed to be felt..
Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuH-GYUHyQw[/QUOTE]
i have no idea what they are doing in the video. why are they punching so many times? i agree it looks like bad trianing, but thats not speed. you can see his punches aren’t fast, they’re just a lot and the camera blurs it. i’m not talking about fast chain punching, i’m talking about fast punching, one two, one two.
i think what i was trying to say by speed is twitchy, jerky speed.
[QUOTE=bawang;814520]i have no idea what they are doing in the video. why are they punching so many times? i agree it looks like bad trianing, but how is that speed and explosiveness? you can see his punches aren’t fast, they’re just a lot and the camera blurs it.[/QUOTE]
When most WCK folks talk about speed, they are talking about hand speed… WCK is not all about speed anymore than it is about strength. Both these things are important but are not the focus of the system, which uses good position, timing and body mechanics over speed.
If this is not what you meant by speed feel free to include a video of the kind of speed you mean..
i found this video of caow ga, look at the part of the video when the guy shoots his hands out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GC0OgMm1g
the part when he shoots his hands out, it’s not really fast, but it’s jerky. there’s no speeding up the hand , when he sends his hands out, i hope you can understand me
[QUOTE=bawang;814528]i found this video of caow ga, look at the part of the video when the guy shoots his hands out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GC0OgMm1g
the part when he shoots his hands out, it’s not really fast, but it’s jerky. there’s no speeding up the punch, when he starts to punch it’s already fast, i hope you can understand me[/QUOTE]
He needs to loosen up and release some power IMO..
He appears to be slowing himself down with his own tension..
[QUOTE=bawang;814528]i found this video of caow ga, look at the part of the video when the guy shoots his hands out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5GC0OgMm1g
the part when he shoots his hands out, it’s not really fast, but it’s jerky. there’s no speeding up the punch, when he starts to punch it’s already fast, i hope you can understand me[/QUOTE]
Sifu Whitrod knows his stuff, no doubt.
Beats the crap out of his students too, gotta love that kind of training 
American kenpo guys are notorious for crappy fast strikes too, its not just the WC guys.
[QUOTE=YungChun;814530]He needs to loosen up and release some power IMO..
He appears to be slowing himself down with his own tension..[/QUOTE]
but you understand me now right. my friend back in my old city showed me his wing chun, it was very jerky, very explosive. not a chain punch, just like a normal punch, but it was fast and twitchy. just one punch, but you can’t see it.
[QUOTE=bawang;814537]but you understand me now right. my friend back in my old city showed me his wing chun, it was very jerky and twitchy, very explosive.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think you are talking about fa-jing..
Yes, I think you are talking about fa-jing..
Beat me to it and yes, Paul does look a tad constipated, but that is a sign of put chi baby !!
[QUOTE=YungChun;814540]Yes, I think you are talking about fa-jing..[/QUOTE]
just forget what i said, all i meant to say is speed(normal punching not eggbeater slapping) is important in wingchun. if you just keep trying to punch as fast as you can, your punches will get jerky and twitchy and you will notice. maybe this is fajing, then every wingchun punch should be a fajing.
[QUOTE=bawang;814548]sorry about the misunderstanding, i’ll trying to say again. my friend he does wingchun many years, he show me,
it’s just one normal punch, very fast, can’t see it. if it’s fajing, then every wingchun punch should be a fa jing.[/QUOTE]
Fajing is almost impossible to do in combinations, at least I have never seen it.
hmm, i think my friend he was just fast.
it’s hard to talk about fast, because people think different fast. when i mean he fast, i tried to spar but couldn’t because he was too fast. you don’t understand how friggin fast he was. he wasn’t speed slapping, it was just one move one block, but it was **** fast!!!
[QUOTE=bawang;814564]hmm, i think my friend he was just fast.
it’s hard to talk about fast, because people think different fast. when i mean he fast, i tried to spar but couldn’t because he was too fast. you don’t understand how friggin fast he was.[/QUOTE]
The “best” way to test that speed comes with power is to spar with good protective gear, I put best in quotations because there are a few methods but I feel that the best one is sparring because it it more practical , BUT one persons power is another persons slap.
that’s very true! i tried to spar with westerner who do whing chun, it was very sad and i understand why you said this.
but it was real sparring. i got accidentally hit and it hurt like hell, so he had power.
there’s is something seriously wrong with the way kung fu people in general are trianing in north america. not enough sparring and bag punching maybe.
finally found a good example. when i mean jerky, twitchy, i mean like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLV4ovEJNtU
Yaooo..
His mechanics are…umm less than ideal..
I know what you mean but he ain’t it either..