Public slap fights between best known practitioners
Too many schools that think sticky hands is fighting
The name changes are faster than the practitioners
Idiotic lineage infighting in print
“Now you see it now you don’t” ground fighting
That’s right wing chun folks, someone actually said it, your dirty little secrets are out now, you slap boxing mofos, everyone now sees that you are like the drunken aunt of the martial arts family, everyone knows you’re nice, but you’ve got cranberry on your face and you’ve got that smell that proves that milk ain’t the source of ALL cheese.
Wow, a bit harsh there KCE. I’m not a WCer myself but I trained in it about 10 years ago. I actually found it to be very practical & effective. As with most other arts, I think a major component missing from the training in many WC schools is simply full contact sparring. Those schools that have full contact sparring are often able to use their art for real, while those who are afraid of getting hurt, well… . T.
the thing i dont get is the stance, it doesnt seem very… well practical. of course i know sweet f*ck all about wing chun, do they use that stance in sparring as well
(although sticky hands seems rather pointless to me- your average thug on the street wont be playing slapsies)
Hey Ikken Hisatsu. Which stance are you referring to (wing Chun has several, for both training and fighting)? I’ll take a guess that you may be referring to the frontal pigeon-toed stance (Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma). If so, that’s easily explained. For one thing, it’s often used more for training than fighting (much like the low, thighs parallel to groung horse stance of Hung Gar). Practically speaking, however, it CAN be effective. If you get attacked front-on in a crowd or a crowded room (bar, club, etc.) and have no space to maneuver, turnining the knees in helps protect the groin while you deflect any attack to the head/ body. As for Chi Sao, it isn’t a fighting method. It’s to develop instinctive reactions once contact is made. Instead of just covering against a barrage of punches, you learn to trap & cross the attackers arms up (I’ve done it in training & had my sparring partner smirk and say “Yeah, but what are you gonna do now? You’re hands are busy keeping my arms crossed up” at which I grinned & bonked him lightly on the nose with a headbutt). Peace. T.
Originally posted by cerebus As for Chi Sao, it isn’t a fighting method. It’s to develop instinctive reactions once contact is made.
Precisely my point
[SIZE=1]…Unless ofcourse Ikken Hisatsu was being sarcastic, in which case i humbly reinsert my point back into the orifice from which it appeared.[/SIZE] :eek:
wasnt criticising or anything just asking, like i said I know squat about wing chun- theres probably 1 school in my entire country that teaches it. and yeah i was referring to the pigeon stance thingy
Exactly! I’ve been told that because of its simplicity, it takes the least amount of time to master, yet its proponents are among the first to cite inexperience as an excuse whenever a practitioner is found who is lacking. Or shoe issues.
least time to master if you’re practicing temple-like for 6-8 hours per day. then again, what couldn’t you master quickly training like that?
instead, wc has the same concern every other style does – students who come to two classes per week, train little on their own, yet expect (and often get) regular promotion.
as far as wc’s simplicity, i don’t think it’s any easier to learn than any other style. i find its simplicity to be conceptual – less driven by quantity or narrowness in application of technique, and more driven by broadness in application. whether it takes more or less time to master this lies in the work ethic of the student.
hehe, my favorite subject. KC is correct in his list, especially number 1 and number 2.
The problem with wingchun,. as with any martial art is it takes practice and time but no one wants to do that so you get all those weak ass instructors out there who still thnk chi sao is fighting.
not too mention most WC people are becoming subjects of their own mislead publicity. For an art that is supposed to meant for smaller, weaker people I have yet to meet a smaller weaker person who can use it well enough to beat larger, stronger people.
You did forget to mention KC that most WC guys are great mouth boxers though. Look at the WC forum here for example, it’s supposed to contain some of the top guys :rolleyes: although I have to wonder where they are finding time to train between arguing about lineage, and how sensitive they are Sensitive like a bunch of girls maybe! HAH! I crack myselfup!
“For an art that is supposed to meant for smaller, weaker people I have yet to meet a smaller weaker person who can use it well enough to beat larger, stronger people.”
size will always have an advantage in real scenarios. however this is even more of an advantage in sparring as larger guys tend to just charge through. the smaller guy can’t knock him flat b/c he can’t hit him as if in a real fight so larger guys in these situations can use size to “overpower” the smaller guys. plus maybe the smaller guys you talking bout stink if large guys stink and smaller guys stink then it’s just like having an untrained big guy against an untrained smaller guy so size wins out
“You did forget to mention KC that most WC guys are great mouth boxers though. Look at the WC forum here for example,”
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree!!! All those superstar chi sau masters
“it’s supposed to contain some of the top guys”
uh, where’d you get that one from!!! all the “top” guys fought for real. the closest we can do now is spar hard full contact with equipment. the guys on here that do that, excluding me I can count on one hand missing a finger or two…
size will always have an advantage in real scenarios.
So far, while in the striking arts I have practiced size and strength have most certainly come into play, the grappling I am doing now seems to even the playing field quite a bit, enough to surprise me anyway.
uh, where’d you get that one from!!! all the “top” guys fought for real. the closest we can do now is spar hard full contact with equipment. the guys on here that do that, excluding me I can count on one hand missing a finger or two…
You would think that wouldn’t you but you go ahead and ask those guys on the WC forum, if they aren’t busy smacking down those on the a$$ they do like.
What’s funny to me is that alot of people in a community, say the wingchun community, don’t seem to realise that word gets arond, and although people may be telling you you are cool on the forum, I often find that they are talking badly about your skill level in reality. I know of a few really good examples on this particular WC forum who are often heralded as “good”, while some of those people on the forum calling them that don’t really believe it, and some of their kungfu bros and sisters are talking smack about them around the country. It’s one of the reasons I broke away from studying just wingchun. It’s so clannish and two faced its sickening and the marketing aspects that are now becoming popular are alot of bold faced lies and misdirections. I won’t even get into lineage discussions…
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