So Ive heard that you should punch with the first two knuckles because they are the largest and the bones extend into your forearm.
Ive also heard you should punch with the last three knuckles because they extend into your forearm.
Which one is it guys.
Both.
Your welcome.
i’ve heard that your other knuckles other than the first 2 are prone to breaking easily if you punch with them
it all depends. Different punches require different alignments, and will strike with different knuckles. The Ping Choy-reverse punch-hits with the index and ring finger knuckles, the Yat Ji Choy-vertical punch hits with the bottom three.
I personally prefer the middle two (middle & ring)
my middle knuckle is significantly taller than my other knuckles
i refuse to do the old style karate training of flattening the middle knuckle, so..
if I go the first two knuckles (index & middle), i have to over pronate my wrist to make contact
if i go the last two knuckles (ring & pinkie), my pinkie’s likely to shatter
the middle two is a happy medium that helps me get power, keep my structure, and not risk too much damage
that being said, if i throw a hook with the fist horizontal, i’ll try to land with the first two knuckles - i do that to ensure that i don’t accidentally catch my pinkie and break it.
sometimes, i’ll land with the first two on my cross as well - coming from a southpaw angle, many times my target is more on the thumb-side than the pinkie side so I don’t have to pronate the wrist.
Dempsey recommended the last 3 (middle, ring, & pinkie)
Frazier and many others recommend the first two (index & middle)
“i refuse to do the old style karate training of flattening the middle knuckle”
must be referrinng to some white guy teaching what he thought was traditional. Not even Oyama advocated this. But I remember when training in American Combat Karate with Richard Barathy, some of his Black Belts said you had to break the knuckles and then 're-form them"-and some of these guys did just that.
but, these guys were also known for “Better training through modern chemistry”
I throw my hook with a vertical fist. This way, it ensures that I am always landing with my fist, wrist and knuckles aligned to my radius and ulna. If you have a taped, wrapped, gloved hand, for sport fighting, it may not be as crucial, but in bare-knuckle fighting, it most certainly is.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;958302]it all depends. Different punches require different alignments, and will strike with different knuckles. The Ping Choy-reverse punch-hits with the index and ring finger knuckles, the Yat Ji Choy-vertical punch hits with the bottom three.[/QUOTE]
thats how i look at it. the structure of your arm depending on your punch can dictate what knuckles will be in better alignment to take more force. horizontle/verticle fist.
excample: verticle jab i use the last three, horizontle straight i use the first 2. but maybe thats just me.
[QUOTE=Lucas;958332]
excample: verticle jab i use the last three, horizontle straight i use the first 2. but maybe thats just me.[/QUOTE]
you and Dempsey.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;958333]you and Dempsey.;)[/QUOTE]
lol, at least im not the only one!
[QUOTE=TenTigers;958331]I throw my hook with a vertical fist. This way, it ensures that I am always landing with my fist, wrist and knuckles aligned to my radius and ulna. If you have a taped, wrapped, gloved hand, for sport fighting, it may not be as crucial, but in bare-knuckle fighting, it most certainly is.[/QUOTE]
I’m a vertical-fist hooker as well :D, for the same reason you mention - throwing horizontal-fist hooks I’ve actually seen lead to fractured hand bones along the pinkie in training; that’s why if i ever DO throw horizontal hooks I make extra sure to hit with the first 2 knuckles
I don’t remember which karate guys I talked to that mentioned busting down the middle knuckle.
i went to high school with some pretty high level kids in uechiryu & seidokan - children of some of the higher level instructors on Okinawa; but I also hung out with a couple guys who were pretty delusional karate wannabes. I wouldn’t be surprised if i heard the middle knuckle thing from one of the wannabes.
I just keep it simple and aim to hit with the middle knuckle whichever punch I’m throwing (Bas Rutten advocates this).
I dont punch much.
Much more fun to use all open hands and see where it goes…
[QUOTE=Facepalm;958277]So Ive heard that you should punch with the first two knuckles because they are the largest and the bones extend into your forearm.
Ive also heard you should punch with the last three knuckles because they extend into your forearm.
Which one is it guys.[/QUOTE]
Don’t go that way.
Hit with your fist if you are hitting with your fist.
[QUOTE=Boston Bagua;958405]I dont punch much.
Much more fun to use all open hands and see where it goes…[/QUOTE]
Not everyone can break bricks by phucking glaring at them Dale.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;958331]I throw my hook with a vertical fist. This way, it ensures that I am always landing with my fist, wrist and knuckles aligned to my radius and ulna. If you have a taped, wrapped, gloved hand, for sport fighting, it may not be as crucial, but in bare-knuckle fighting, it most certainly is.[/QUOTE]
All of William Chen’s authentic lineage throw the hook that way. There is a drill with weights to practice hooks in continuous succesion from him but it is really painful. I show it to people, but I don’t actually do it.
A hook is a waste of energy. Throw them straight and direct. Most people don’t know how to make a good fist. You do not roll your fingers into a fist. You bring your finger tips as close to the wrist as you can, then as you form the fist the tips will drag toward the palm. If you should accidently strike with the second knuckles they will not be forced into the palm and broken. Also, the wrist only supports the last 3 knuckles. The first one is angled upward and is quite easily broken. You want to be able to strike with all your power and not break your own hands.
Follow through is also a waste of energy. On impact all the energy is quickly dispersed into the target. A follow through is nothing more than a shove after the fact. Strike and retract quickly so that you can strike again.
It is quite commonly thought that striking with a large knuckle will cause far more damage. It might cause local damage, like torn skin or a bruise, but it loses a lot of the energy on impact. a flat surface will empart a great deal more energy to a target. A slap will knock you out if it is a good one. The referal shock of the impact will vibrate the brain and make you lose all sense of reality.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;958331]I throw my hook with a vertical fist. This way, it ensures that I am always landing with my fist, [/QUOTE]
I throw my hook with my forearm (45 degree downward force). This way I can follow with a head lock after that. But most of the time I like to use my hook to build a bridge.
I used to think, vertical punch bottom three, reverse punch, jab, cross etc Index finger…now I use the same knuckle for all regular full fisted punches (excluding chap choys and Fung Nan).
You often contact with bottom three or top two but I always focus on the biggest knuckle.
(I do that for Wing Chun, Mantis, Eskrima and Tai chi, no difference)
The Eskrima Hook I was taught uses the vertical fist while hooking and still the biggest knuckle…
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;958432]A hook is a waste of energy. Throw them straight and direct. Most people don’t know how to make a good fist. You do not roll your fingers into a fist. You bring your finger tips as close to the wrist as you can, then as you form the fist the tips will drag toward the palm. If you should accidently strike with the second knuckles they will not be forced into the palm and broken. Also, the wrist only supports the last 3 knuckles. The first one is angled upward and is quite easily broken. You want to be able to strike with all your power and not break your own hands.
Follow through is also a waste of energy. On impact all the energy is quickly dispersed into the target. A follow through is nothing more than a shove after the fact. Strike and retract quickly so that you can strike again.
It is quite commonly thought that striking with a large knuckle will cause far more damage. It might cause local damage, like torn skin or a bruise, but it loses a lot of the energy on impact. a flat surface will empart a great deal more energy to a target. A slap will knock you out if it is a good one. The referal shock of the impact will vibrate the brain and make you lose all sense of reality.[/QUOTE]
Wow, just…wow.:rolleyes: