Hello Joy got some times here.
Also- back in the 17th century while a buddhist temple could have
kung fu for health… temples were occasionally refuges
for all sorts of people who were not monks or even buddhist…isnt that correct?------J
Yup, Fang take refuge to live in the Sand Lotus temple. Shave her head later, but later went back to lay life. So, that is clear.
Some also claim that:
Also according to White Crane oral legends put Fong Chut Leung lived in from 1662 to 1722.
Wing Chun is a system that existed in the Southern Shaolin temple. The Southern Shaolin Temple was destroyed before Ms. Fong was born.
How can Wing Chun come from Fong Chut Leung if the temple was destroyed before she was born?
Let see if the above claim is true or not.
Let me qoute from the written record of the White Crane WEng Chun decendents.
Fang was born around at the end of Ming Dynasty at the Ming Emperor Choong Chern’s time.
white Crane Weng Chun was founded around 1650’s to 1662.
at 1662 to 1722, Fang Chi-Niang went with her husband back to her husband home town --Yong Chun, Fujian. In a location outside the West Gate. There they taught the White Crane Style.
This is the era where Fang Chi-Niang transmit her art to Yong Chun area. And the Name Fang Yong Chun comes from here.
Now looking at the writting about the burning of Yiu Lien San shao lin temple (presume it exist)
That is happen at the era of Qing’s Kangxi emperor arround 1672.
Then we know the above view on "The Southern Shaolin Temple was destroyed before Ms. Fong was born. " is not correct by evidence because White Crane was founded decades before the legendary Temple was born.
Further more, this is another interesting story about Chen Yong-hua or Chen Chiin-Nan (who was told as Fang’s chi-niang’s teacher on the snap short attached.) we want to look at.
[B] Chen Chiin-Nan /Chen Yong-Hua, the genral under the Ming General zhen Chen-Kung who later reside in Taiwan. Chen is great at Matial art, once he was embush by hundreds of solders and escape.
after he take refuge in Daoism, his nick name is the white crane daoist. he live in seclusion in the white crane cave . he was in studing/researching Daoism there.
later, he met his old friends and the old friends visited him at the White Crane Cave to discuss about the situation of rebeling.
Due to the White Crane Cave didnt have enough room for all.
Chen lead them to a place - smaller temple- which is not far away from the White Crane Cave . The place, as the folk called it as Hung Fa Ting.
Chen Chiin Nang was the director of Hung Fa Ting at the 25th of the Seventh month, 1674 while making oath for the brother hood.. [/B]
From Here we know Chen is a general under Ming General Zhen Chen-Kung of Taiwan. Chen is a daoist and practiced Daoism not Buddhism. Chen’s meeting place is Hung Fa Ting and he is the leader there.
Above are the evidents in Events in the history.
Technically, we can cut it with then investigatioin of Inch Jing Join Power, the White Crane Weng Chun momentum/energy signatures. and then see if the Events in the history converge with the Technical history.
IMHHHO, this is about research. Nothing personal. and nothing about smearing others. it is about showing the facts and evidents and present them as it is. keeping it to be as original as possible. There is no oldest to be claim. There is no the most original to be claim. There is no disrespect of others lineage. (if other look at the evidents as an opposition of thier history which doesnt mean to be from a researcher’s positio, then not much we can do about it because we cannot change history to make one person happen. )
I oftern encourage people to study Chinese and check for themself because there are ton’s of things laying around which one can check out. waiting for translater or even chinese writer to translate the classical chinese to modern chinese is a pain. it always comes with big distortion. Dont trust me, I might opps. I can make mistakes… check for yourself that is better because
we all are imperfect human. So, dont listern to anyone. Check it out for yourself.
time to go. Bye for now.
