[QUOTE=TenTigers;1047611]So if the Ballet school demos dancing rather than bar work, plies,stretching, etc then they are crap?[/QUOTE]
Generally, it would be the opposite. Evidence of bar work, plies,stretching with no evidence of any actual dancing would generally mean they are crap.
Notice how ballet schools have evidence of their performances, as well as the techniques that lead to those performances. People who are doing, generally have lots of evidence of that doing.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1047593]Have you ever been to a large tournament? I’ve been to many Taiji Legacy and AAU events, not to mention smaller local torunaments. There will be 1,000s of people competing in forms. As soon as San Da starts, it’s a ghost town.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think we should include those “CMA for health” perople into our discussion.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1047606]I know there are tough schools tucked away in an alley somewhere …[/QUOTE]
If all CMA guys train like this, we won’t have this discussion.
MK
OK but lets look at the arena its mostly wushu crap made to showcase thier style in a flavorful way not the soup to nutz combat side of thier arts. heck weapons are huge part but they obviously will never use them EVER.
I know there are tough schools tucked away in an alley somewhere that don’t advertise, etc… But they are not the norm
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very true, some schools i know in SF might not let you join… they are not looking for money or to run a MA biz, no little ninja classes for kids and what not
That doesn’t change the fact that fighting is not emphasized in the majority of tradtional schools.
again this is a sweeping assumption, and unless you go to the school and watch the class and ask the instructor then you are assuming, and wek all know what assuming means,
people walk into my school and see what it is right away, no sashes, no weapons, no uniforms, or teasting fees just a t shirt and we get down I charge 60.00 a month no cotntracts
anything that doesnt work in comabat is not taught repetiuously its covered but not taught alot , I teach for show and for fighting and they are very different, most schools teach this way they call it closed door teaching, last week I hit my student in the face pretty hard, he reply was crap i didnt block, most schools are afraid of law suites in this situation.
I dont teach kids, no teens and I am curently teaching 5 black belts from other styles who never learned how to fight, they joine becuse they know I have a repution for o BS, otherise no BB would join to re learn what they missed
[QUOTE=Lucas;1047615]also i see a huge difference between learning how to do something, and practicing in a manner that you can apply what you learn in a realistic scenario.
example:
learning how to generate explosive power with all your elbows on a bag or what not, then the transition of how thats really going to play out when you are going against an actual person. you need to be pushed against all those variables to see how that power generation actually works in a combat situation.
thats a huge part of the disconnect ive seen in many trad schools.[/QUOTE]
thi is a good observation, although i don’t fully agree.
schools that teach kung fu, as opposed to larping and calling it kung fu, train shape, then shape into resistance, then shape into moving resistance. It’s a pretty standard plan.
learn the tech, learn to generate force(bag/mitt/drill), learn to use it (spar/fight).
that’s how real kung fu schools do it.
day cares, not so much.
I honestly cringe when I think of the state of american kung fu. You will have a harder time finding a club and getting brought in up here in my experience.
It’s like converting to judaism except its a sifu who rejects you 3 times at least before you get to learn how to suffer. 
and yeah, we have a few milquetoast places, but not many. strip mall dojos are actually rare here.
this makes me want to video my claass one night and show you how we train. and I am a TCMA school.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1047541]
Please tell me where you get your point of view or how did you reach your opinion? based on what?
how many schools you have joined?
how many schools you have enrolled in and spent longer than a year in?
how many websites you looked at?
how many other people have you swayed your opionon because of what they said?
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Experience. But I tend not to post unless I have run across a certain scenario.
Have been to 8 schools, 9 if you count one that I co owned.
6 schools in which I spent more than a year in. 3 of which, including my current one, I have attained a black sash.
Websites? Too numerous to count.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1047624]I don’t think we should include those “CMA for health” perople into our discussion.
If all CMA guys train like this, we won’t have this discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IomX4gESIlM[/QUOTE]
Sure we would. That’s no different than doing forms, light touch work, and breaking things. Without the actual contact, it’s no better than the karate schools who do the same thing.
xacid.
do you think kung fu school teach only forms, wear PJ’s and cannot fight? based on your listing below?
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1047627]this makes me want to video my claass one night and show you how we train. and I am a TCMA school.[/QUOTE]
Perfect. Do it. No better way to prove that you ARE different than the other 99% of schools out there.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1047634]Perfect. Do it. No better way to prove that you ARE different than the other 99% of schools out there.[/QUOTE]
I suspect you would just be critical and posture and what not as is your MO whether he did it or not.
YOu know, because that’s how you’ve shown yourself to be around here.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1047625]I teach for show and for fighting [/QUOTE]
You want to know where people get their “assumptions”? Right there… right from the horses mouth. The very guy who was asking the questions in the first place. You claim you are the real deal, yet you just stated you teach for show.
There ya go, right there.
At least some of your time is spent teaching students for show. Real combat systems learned a long time ago you can’t afford to teach for show. If you do, the programs that teach for everything that is functional will soon surpass you.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1047626]thi is a good observation, although i don’t fully agree.
schools that teach kung fu, as opposed to larping and calling it kung fu, train shape, then shape into resistance, then shape into moving resistance. It’s a pretty standard plan.
learn the tech, learn to generate force(bag/mitt/drill), learn to use it (spar/fight).
that’s how real kung fu schools do it.
day cares, not so much.
I honestly cringe when I think of the state of american kung fu. You will have a harder time finding a club and getting brought in up here in my experience.
It’s like converting to judaism except its a sifu who rejects you 3 times at least before you get to learn how to suffer.
and yeah, we have a few milquetoast places, but not many. strip mall dojos are actually rare here.[/QUOTE]
ya im vague as usual, what i mean is that some schools forgo the last step too often. as in the application with pressure, resistance, and aggression.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1047635]I suspect you would just be critical and posture and what not as is your MO whether he did it or not.
YOu know, because that’s how you’ve shown yourself to be around here.[/QUOTE]
Nope, not at all. More often than not, I’ve been the person on the WC forum who supports the guys who have posted sparring/fighting vids, while the WC folks were busy saying it wasn’t “real” WC.
As a matter of fact, if you posted a clip or two of you doing the same kind of full-contact fighting, I’d support you also.
Of course, we all know that will never happen because any full contact you have done is purely in your mind.
thats what training and drilling is for… CHIRST ! its like no one really learned kung fu!!!
this TCMA a.k.a kung fu
this is what kung fu is… hard work
if you are lazy and or impatient and not looking to be good at anything and not willing to put in this hard work, your not doing kung fu
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1047630]Sure we would. That’s no different than doing forms, light touch work, and breaking things. Without the actual contact, it’s no better than the karate schools who do the same thing.[/QUOTE]
It’s impossible to satisfy your “cup 1/2 empty” attitude. If I say
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1047643]thats what training and drilling is for… CHIRST ! its like no one really leanred kung fu!!!
this TCMA aka kung fu
this is what kung fu is… hard work
if you are lazy and or impatient and not looking to be good at anything and not willing to put in this hard work, your not doing kung fu[/QUOTE]
Yeah but most CMA schools don’t teach like this.
It doesn’t matter how YOUR school is run or how hardcore it is or how many fighters you are producing.
It’s ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1047643]thats what training and drilling is for… CHIRST ! its like no one really leanred kung fu!!!
this TCMA aka kung fu
1,2,3,&4 are exactly what is wrong with most kung fu and why it falls so short of the sport model.
More evidence that you are pretty much exactly like every other school out there.
I am about to step back into class, BUT
Anyone who knows me knows I came up in NYC’s chinatown, I have studied with a lot of different teachers
I went to national events and traveled the country well over a decade
I was a national advisor to three different kung fu groups
I promoted national level tournaments
I happed to be the adopted disciple of a famous teacher and speak Chinese, thus having access to places a lot of people don’t and never will
So, if you’re going to try and say “well, you just haven’t seen it” well LMFAO at you, LMFAO at you…
violent,
this is how ALL TCMA schools are taught!!! perhaps your talking about fat out of shape white guys running a busines in the mall and having kids classes, girls with braces earning black belts, a wall full of plastic weapons, and all the other BS crap thats out there,
however these are not TCMA schools these are wushu or AMERICAN martial arts schools. paul mitchell flashy tounemnent schools, not traditional
I just had an apfiany, is this what All you guys are talking about when you say TCMA???