Yip Man - Lee Shing - Joseph Man - Me
My father was my sifu, my older brothers also took part in my training. He told me his system came from the area around Canton and was fathered by a man named Hung. He called it Hung Fa Wing Chun. My father taught many, many Chinese men this system, but not all to the same level. Most required only a certain amount of training to be able to do their jobs.
Fong Yee Ming - Fung Sang - Lee Shing - Joseph Lee - Me : Michael Watson
Ip Man - Lee Shing - Joseph Lee - Me
Various Sifus since 1970’s including Chung Kwok Chow, Duncan Leung, Allan Che Kong Lee, Moy Yat, Lee Moy Shan, Alan Lamb, Henry Leung, William Cheung, and some Pan Nam WC
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;1203502]Various Sifus since 1970’s including Chung Kwok Chow, Duncan Leung, Allan Che Kong Lee, Moy Yat, Lee Moy Shan, Alan Lamb, Henry Leung, William Cheung, and some Pan Nam WC[/QUOTE]
who would you say was the best?
Yip Man - Hawkins Cheung - Robert Chu - me (Alan Orr)
Yip Man - Moy Yat - Sunny Tang (Dunn Wah) - Me
Faht San Wing Chun
IP Man -> Wong Sheung Leung -> Victor Leow -> me
IP Man -> Fung Bing Bo -> Victor Leow -> me
IP Man -> Chu Siong Tin -> Victor Leow -> me
Gulo Wing Chun
Chiu Fu Kai -> Leung Wan Qi -> Victor Leow -> me.
Thanks
Chi Man
Vikoga?
[QUOTE=wclearner;1204713]Faht San Wing Chun
IP Man -> Wong Sheung Leung -> Victor Leow -> me
IP Man -> Fung Bing Bo -> Victor Leow -> me
IP Man -> Chu Siong Tin -> Victor Leow -> me
Gulo Wing Chun
Chiu Fu Kai -> Leung Wan Qi -> Victor Leow -> me.
Thanks
Chi Man[/QUOTE]
hi Chi Man,
Is Victor Leow, the same Victor Leow of Vikoga Wing Chun? I was wondering if you know of a Vikoga student by the name of Kenneth Lim Xiang Fuk who came from Surabaya indonesia to the USA for fame and fortune? Do you know Kenneth Lim Xiang Fuk? in the USA he goes by Lin versus Lim, in Indonsia he used Salim for his last name. If you are from Indonsia you will understand why he also called himself Salim. On the internet he is known to come from Victor Leow’s Vikoga lineage. I am curious if you hear of Kenneth since he could be from your lineage.
Kenneth also had another sifu by name of master Tio of HKB from Indonesia. On this video link is more information, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe1Ypn3n8I
how could a 6th generation ip man wing chun student suddenly become a secret black flag wing chun no one ever heard of?
Can you tell me more about your lineage?
Hello Josexx,
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Is Victor Leow, the same Victor Leow of Vikoga Wing Chun?
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Yes.
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I was wondering if you know of a Vikoga student by the name of Kenneth Lim Xiang Fuk who came from Surabaya indonesia to the USA for fame and fortune? Do you know Kenneth Lim Xiang Fuk?
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I met a person from Surabaya called Kenneth. I can’t recall his full name because in Indonesian usually go by the first name only, not by the surname or second name.
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On the internet he is known to come from Victor Leow’s Vikoga lineage. I am curious if you hear of Kenneth since he could be from your lineage.
Kenneth also had another sifu by name of master Tio of HKB from Indonesia. On this video link is more information, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe1Ypn3n8I
how could a 6th generation ip man wing chun student suddenly become a secret black flag wing chun no one ever heard of?
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I have not seen Kenneth from Surabaya for over 10years. I don’t know where he is nor what he does.
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Can you tell me more about your lineage?
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The IPMAN lineage can be seen on the VIKOGA.com website.
The broken lines acknowledge the people who have contributed some theories/knowledge to the VIKOGA System, no matter how big or small.
The solid lines acknowledge the people who have contributed significantly to the VIKOGA System.
As for the Gulo/Kulo Wing Chun.
My teacher’s teacher is Leung Wan Qi.
I am extremely grateful for my teacher’s teacher such as Wong Sheung Leong, Fung Bing Bo and Leung Wan Qi for their generosity. If it was/is not for their generosity, I believe I won’t be researching Wing Chun today.
Thanks
Chi Man.
First brief encounter with WC:
Ip Man-Ho Kam Ming-(Augustine) Fong Chi Wing-Keith Sonnenberg-me, 1979
Later: Ip Man-Leung Ting-me 1980-1992
Currently: Training under my old si-dai Jeff Webb (Ip Man-Leung Ting and Keith Kermspecht, now independent) 2007 to present.
One outside influence: DTE (Direct Torres Eskrima)-these guys include a few WC people from different lineages who cross train with boxers and eskrimadores – what they do looks a bit like the videos I’ve seen Alan Orr post. Perhaps because they share his interest in testing their stuff in MMA competition. No, I don’t compete-I’m an old guy. But I keep my eyes (and mind) open.
Jiu Wan - Francis Fong - Steven Broughman - Alejandro Arocha - Me
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Currently: Training under my old si-dai Jeff Webb (Ip Man-Leung Ting and Keith Kermspecht, now independent) 2007 to present.
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Does he still call you sihing?
Do you still call yourself a troll?
[QUOTE=Bacon;1207787]Does he still call you sihing?[/QUOTE]
Your Wingchun lineage? Pork? 
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1202498]My father was my sifu, my older brothers also took part in my training. He told me his system came from the area around Canton and was fathered by a man named Hung. He called it Hung Fa Wing Chun. My father taught many, many Chinese men this system, but not all to the same level. Most required only a certain amount of training to be able to do their jobs.[/QUOTE]
is this the same system that william cheung does as traditional wing chun, and Garrett Gee does as Hung Fa Yi wing chun?
Here we go again…
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1208039]is this the same system that william cheung does as traditional wing chun, and Garrett Gee does as Hung Fa Yi wing chun?[/QUOTE]
Not this again.:rolleyes:
This subject has been gone over time and again on here already and I’m pretty sure both sides agree: Hung Fa Yi and TWC are not the same system and both stand on their own. Even a quick look at their SNT clips will show this to be the case.
And yes, while it appears that they are closer cousins and share more similarities than if compared to most of the other YM and non-YM lineages (I mean, they are ALL WC and will have similarities to varying degrees), they are still 2 separate systems.
Regardless, IMO, to really answer this, one would have to have some direct experience in at least 2 of the three (which I’m assuming LCP does not, but I could be wrong). But I’m interested in seeing what he has to say! 
Very interesting thread to see who is out there and how the wing chun family maps together.
Yip Man-Yip Chun-Sam Kwok-Trevor Jefferson -Me since 1985
Apart from countless hours with mt sifu, sigung and dai sigung, I have also been fortunate to share many experiences with my friends and seniors in the WSL Family, David Peterson, Cliff Au Yeung, Alan Gibson, Ged Kenerk et al. I have also been fortunate to spend many days learning from Lun Kai Sifu in Foshan and seminars and privates with many different lineages and sifu.
Paul
www.moifa.co.uk
[QUOTE=Bacon;1207787]Does he still call you sihing?[/QUOTE]
Actually he does sometimes, privately at least. In front of his students I refer to him as Master Jeff (because he has earned that rank) and similarly, in front of his students he refers to me as “your si-pak” or just “Sifu Steve” if several sifus are present (using the term “sifu” in it’s meaning as an instructor or “one with proficiency”, not as your personal “teacher-father”).
Seriously, you can use whatever terms you like, but your attitude and actions will either show respect …or not. And I respect this guy.
[QUOTE=JPinAZ;1208072]Regardless, IMO, to really answer this, one would have to have some direct experience in at least 2 of the three (which I’m assuming LCP does not, but I could be wrong). But I’m interested in seeing what he has to say! :)[/QUOTE]
I thought we asked him about this in the past and his answer was it was a family kung fu art and from his perspective not connected at all to HFY or TWC.