Originally posted by Ernie
[B]
hey jong pssss my secret keep it hush [/B]
I almost oppened my big mouth.Your secret came very close of being uncovered!..
Originally posted by old jong
I almost oppened my big mouth.It was close!..
got to keep them on there toes errr in this case flat footed
big guy 
Walking on water!
I tried in my bathtub but my incredible grounding and sinking…;)Power kept me glued to the bottom!..
look to how any really good fighters train
Terence ,
You predicated your argument on your own theory of what constitutes a “really good fighter”. The subjective nature of your argument will not allow for everyone to agree with you no matter how many times you say it. To continue to argue your point you must first prove your definition of a really good fighter is congruent with that of the people you are conversing with.
Originally posted by canglong
You predicated your argument on your own theory of what constitutes a “really good fighter”.
Funny how that works, eh! Good call Tony.
What is my conception of Wing Chun Kuen?
Good question, kj.
My conception of WC is that it’s a doctrine of martial study based on effectivness and efficiency. It’s not the only or the best martial art doctrine, just the one I like the best.
IMO - It is not a fighting system in that it has fixed, formulaic, applications - it is a training system that teaches one how to fight intuitively. Step in the ring, you are no longer doing wing chun. You may however express what wing chun has taught you. It is a conceptual system, with no fixed boundaries or limits. Health and correct use of the body are critical factors in how and why we do what we do.
canglong,
“Really good fighter” isn’t subjective – that’s actually the great part about martial arts, we can determine that fairly simply. It’s like saying “really good swimmer” or really good tennis player or really good basketball player or really good at any physical activity. Boxers can determine who is a good boxer by getting in the ring, BJJist can determine skill levels predicitably and reliably (their belts are performance-based), etc. It just can’t be determined if someone is a good swimmer if they never get in the water, or if they are a good basketball player if they never play basketball, or if they are a good tennis player but never play tennis! Of course, I’d say that the fact they never do those activities would preclude the possibility of their being good. But we can look at any physical activitiy and see performance levels. Randy Couture is a really good fighter – he’s proven that by fighting, and by fighting highly skilled fighters. So have many others. If it were an entirely subjective standard as you suggest, then we could never determine skill levels.
Fighting skill is performance-based, and can only be determined in relation to an opponent (to perform against). So we test our skill level by the level of our opposition. But this is what we do in all competitive activities.
Originally posted by crimsonking
IMO - It is not a fighting system in that it has fixed, formulaic, applications - it is a training system that teaches one how to fight intuitively. Step in the ring, you are no longer doing wing chun. You may however express what wing chun has taught you. It is a conceptual system, with no fixed boundaries or limits. Health and correct use of the body are critical factors in how and why we do what we do.
I like that!..
Hi Everyone, Longtime no see. Sorry been away from the forum for a while.
What Wing Chun means to me. Well let’s see.
I hate the slowness of the footwork. I hate the energy it takes to shift when it is much easier to step. I hate the stances, I hate the guardhands I hate the techniques. all of this makes no sense since it is hard to use in a real fight.
When I fight, I have no set footwork, I have no shift, no stance and no guard and even no techniques. but the Wing Chun is easily seen by ther Wing Chun artists(maybe).
Then I luv the fotwork, I luv the shifting or stepping, I luv he stances, I luv the guardhans, I luv the techniques. Al of his makes sense now.
Wing Chun is a training method to reach the natural fighter stage, A means to an end result. remember Bruce Lee?, No stance No guard No Set footwork, this defines the natural fighter. Yoou should not be able to distinguish a wing chun fighter from any other fighter.
Just my Opinion,
Hope this Helps
Roy
Originally posted by Roy D. Anthony
Hi Everyone, Longtime no see. Sorry been away from the forum for a while.
Hey Roy,
It has been a while. Welcome back.
Roy D. Anthony wrote:
Wing Chun is a training method to reach the natural fighter stage, A means to an end result.
**From my perspective, there is no need to “reach” the natural fighter stage – we should begin there and stay there throughout our training. WCK should just take what we already do, and make it better. IMO the artificiality that is present in most WCK we see today is because the theoreticians have taken it over.
T,
**From my perspective, there is no need to “reach” the natural fighter stage – we should begin there and stay there throughout our training.
How can we begin there if we have not developed the natural methods? What is the natural methods in your opinion?
WCK should just take what we already do, and make it better.
What all of us already do is have years and years and years of bad posture, breathing patterns, tension from all the activities we have done over the years, nervous brain patterns, etc.. What WCK should do is take us back to the natural setting and allow us to fight with it using WCK. The art will cultivate our natural abilities and then we have to go out and use it. This means it takes our body thru the process of disolving the tension, relaxing the mind, cultivating the natural spine, returning the breath to the way it was when we were born, open the joints, etc etc. etc.. As human beings we begin in a natural setting but as we age we do all sorts of things that create all sorts of muscles, habits, ideas, this or that. Learning the art of WCK is designed to bring us back to the natural setting as does many other martial art.
IMO the artificiality that is present in most WCK we see today is because the theoreticians have taken it over.
Actually its the reverse IMHHHO. Its the eclectic everything is everything that has reversed the natural methods. But, you may not agree with that since thats the category you fall into. Especially since the rest of us fall into your theoretician category.
Regards,
Terence wrote:
**From my perspective, there is no need to “reach” the natural fighter stage – we should begin there and stay there throughout our training.
—Then why train at all? KPM
IMO the artificiality that is present in most WCK we see today is because the theoreticians have taken it over.
—Ooooh! Are you working on a nice conspiracy “theory” now too? KPM
Keith
T_Niehoff
We cannot arrive to a place we never left.LOL
But I understand your dilemma.
Actors have a similar problem. Acting is a way of developing a character for a role in a play or film. Now the character is usually based on the individual playing the role but more as an expansion of the self. So, why take acting classes if all it is is being yourself??? Because it is natural that people get nervous in front of other people or a camera. Therefore taking classes eases their nervousness or teaches them how to use that nervousness and act anyway.
Hope this Helps!s
Hi Bill. Hope things are well.
Roy
What does wing chun mean to me? What is my conception of it?
What does karate mean to it’s practitoners?
What does boxing mean to boxers?
What does bjj mean to it’s practitioners?
And on and on.
This question is equally valid to all of the above.
And what is the common denominator?
They are all MARTIAL ARTS.
They are all concerned with fighting.
So again…
Kathy Jo:
I would just add three words to your definition - which I will now capitalize - and the rest is all yours.
“Wing Chun is a FIGHTING METHOD AND training system in conjunction with a tightly integrated suite of concepts the primary purpose of which is to increase the probability of success when and if applied in a violent physical encounter, and which is encapsulated, practiced and transmitted in the form of an art.”