What do you give back?
It’s funny I read countless post about people connecting themselves with this or that figure in wing Chun. They take the identity or accomplishments as there own, they take the history or should I say histories and connect themselves to it, like through some kind of osmosis or DNA they inherit wing chun skill. They create groups and organizations and huddle under their umbrellas, become masters of there little micro universe.
They take and feed off the reputations of others, they take and feed off the reputation of wing Chun
But what do they give back?
Instead of fighting so much about this or that legacy, who is right, who learned what from who and when and how much and who has the secret style blah blah blah?
What are they; we doing to give back and further progress in the development of wing Chun and ourselves on an individual level.
I have never understood this infatuation with the past and people trying to be the grand poobah of there own little empire.
How does any of this improve your skills and advance the wing Chun system?
Are you feeding or are you contributing?
These same individuals that everyone is trying to latch themselves to stood out because they contributed, the shed blood for the advancement of the system, they were not bottom feeders but leaders that took a chance and experimented, or else why would we admire them.
Should we not follow their example and try and grow, instead of feeding off their carcass
Good call dude
And lets be honest, we all think our teacher (and teachers teacher) is chocolate.
I just like the world view that YM had lots of students and he didnt name a successor. That way every one from different lineages stands at the same ground with different interpretations of W.C and we can all get along. In any case all evidence, besides a few out spoken individuals, points to the more than likely possibility that YM in fact didnt name a successor anyway.
Its just annoying when you hear one person talking about their system being “the Chosen One”. It kind of degrades all other lineages in its arrogance.
I think a new forum rule should be that if you think your system is “the Chosen one”, you should keep it to yourself.
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and lets talk Wing Chun: training methods, fighting methods, principles, application and philosophy!!!
Some people are like the sun. They shine on their own light. Other people are like the the moon. They reflect the sun’s light because they have no light of their own.
Originally posted by Wingman Some people are like the sun. They shine on their own light. Other people are like the the moon. They reflect the sun’s light because they have no light of their own.
Some people’s minds are like the pupil of the eye, the more light you shine upon it, the more they contract.
Not sure if contribution is always a good thing. Sometimes one might come up with some new methods, new ideas, thinking that it could take his/her Wing Chun to higher grounds. Of course one may also have strong desire to share his/her “new” elements to others. Although the intention is good, the contribution itself may not necessarily help others progress. In fact some other more experienced masters may look at your idea and just say: “Ha! been through that long time ago, bad approach, won’t take you there”.
Regarding lineage, I don’t think I talk too much about my lineage here. It is true that I like it very much, however, I don’t need to put my Sifu’s, SiSuk’s, SiBak’s and Sigung’s names on the table all the time. I am just a student, not a lineage representative.
exactly…politics are state of “modern” life and pychology dictates that one ofthe utmost human needs ( as in on the second teir of human need), is crucial to productive life…
let em rave…and even humor them a lil..some folks just need that…
for the record:- relevance zero…until the pendulum swings your way and you just may may wanna little dribble yourself…wheat from chaff, be kind and have a nice day
[[And lets be honest, we all think our teacher (and teachers teacher) is chocolate.]]]
I beg to differ,
I don’t see my teacher or his teacher or anybodies teacher as anything more then a person that trained hard and got good.
If I really believed that these were special people and I could only hope to be a little like them then the wing chun system is a failure and why bother training if each generation becomes weaker and more watered down, just pail imitations of the ‘’ mighty ones ‘’
That’s why I have no belief in masters or grandmaster nor do I care about what history says this or that person did.
These were all just regular people with good training and experience
And every student has the capability of surpassing the teacher if the teacher is a good teacher and honest and the student trains hard and smart
I believe it’s every student’s duty to surpass the teacher; this would strengthen the chain and give back to wing Chun
Originally posted by anerlich But I like arguing about lineage …
LMAO some posts really should just be ignored, but sometimes it just proves too tempting…
Originally posted by Ernie Besides chocolate is fattening
talking about fat. Recently I met a WC master who said WC doesn’t get you fit. In fact, WC teaches you not to use any muscle strength. So don’t look down on WC masters who look out of shape, they are more dangerous than you think because they hardly have to burn any calories to deal with their students
[[[talking about fat. Recently I met a WC master who said WC doesn’t get you fit. In fact, WC teaches you not to use any muscle strength. So don’t look down on WC masters who look out of shape, they are more dangerous than you think because they hardly have to burn any calories to deal with their students ]]]
I agree that our teachers are the product of hard work and dedication. I also think it is dangerous to say that your teachers or teachers teacher has exceptional/natural skill. If a student truely believes this then then they wouldnt even try surpassing their teachers skill. I just meant that we all think our teachers are awesome - regardless of how they came to be awesome. I believe natural talent is only a small part of the equation. One has to train and work.
And your right, it should be the job students to try and surpass theior teachers skill. Thats a great idea that Ive never thought of before. Teaching techniques and methods can be refined to make the learning process faster.
Miles
[[And your right, it should be the job students to try and surpass theior teachers skill. Thats a great idea that Ive never thought of before. Teaching techniques and methods can be refined to make the learning process faster]]
Miles my friend that is the meaning behind my post, I only wish more energy was spent on that then ‘’ lineage, history, marketing, labels, and so on ‘’
My senior once criticized me, he said Ernie why re invent the wheel
[At the time I was seeking better ways to train dragon pole body mechanics and structure power]
I said I just cant help myself I’m a problem solver I passionately believe in research and development, break something down study all the components, see how they operate in singular and then combined fashion then cross reference it with other studies I have made in body mechanics and power generation, see if there is a common training methodology outside the system or some modern training apparatus that is better refined for that particular skill.
If I did any less I would feel like I was just being lazy and disrespecting the information and hard work others put in along the way.
