What are the similarities between Wing Chun and Ngo Cho Kun ?
i dont know
Both use a clamping stance and a triangle /side body stance. Apart from that, not much.
NO- much.
Both styles keep the elbows in? 
I can tell you and Ngor Chor but very little about Wing Chun - my only experience with Wing Chun has been mucking around with Dezhen for about an hour. I will give you what I could pick up in that time though:
While the stances look similar, the Wing Chun stance is more upright than the Ngor Chor stance. The Ngor Chor stance was a little wider and deeper.
There are fundamental differences in the fighting philosophies. Wing Chun appears to focus on speed to generate the power, and mobility (I may be wrong here). Ngor Chor uses a concept of heavy hands and rooting.
Ngor Chor is a much better art than Wing Chun 
Just kidding
I’ll see if I can get Dez here to discuss it further.
Originally posted by joedoe
Ngor Chor is a much better art than Wing Chun
Well, of course, that depends on the lineage.
The Wing Chun/Wing Tsun/Ving Chun/Ving Tsun lineage or the Ngor Chor lineage?
You watched both styles somewhat side-by-side Serp, what are your impressions?
Well, to be completely honest, they did look very similar to me. However, I was looking from the point of view of someone with very little experience of one (Wing Chun) and no experience at all of the other (Ngor Chor).
I noticed that Ngor Chor seemed to have more fluidity and circular motions, albeit small circles, over Wing Chun’s predominantly straight lines and Ngor Chor seemed to favour more open hands and soft power generation (a la Sum Chien, etc.)
I think that if I could see more of them both (or at least, more Ngor Chor) then I’d be able to spot numerous other details and differences.
serp: i think considering joedoe has been training over 1/2 the time i have been ALIVE he did have certain advantages over my measly 3 years LOL
hmmm… my impressions of the Ngo chor i saw and felt:
From touching the hands they reminded me very much of my Sifu. Very soft. Very soft but also heavy hands when they wanted to be. Very good at controlling energy and redirecting.
Very good root (hard to move - but may be the size differential too :p), but wider stance than wing chun, more like “traditional” Mabu than the YGKYM. We are a bit higher.
Seems to face the centre a lot too which is somewhat familiar and like to use both hands.
Movements more rounded than ours, even though we are a little round too. Out tan, bong and fuk sau is very distinct i think…
We were just playing so no serious scrapping, but i remember joedoe using a lot of palms and things, whereas i tended to use the good ole neck chop as i moved offline
Apart from that i cant actually remember much about us touching hands
As for the forms i saw saam chien and another few - cant remember which. Seemed much more “shaolin” as they seemed to have gong bu, mabu and other stances. As well as a lot of up and down movements. I guess its because of the Lohan and Monkey etc?
From my Shotokan/Goju background it was good to see finally.
To be honest (and im not just saying it coz i know the guys :D) i was very impressed, and can see and feel some commonality. Also some differences of course.
Very interesting
JMHO,
dawood
or i could always tell my students and grand-students someday how i accepted a personal test of hands, flew 1/2 way round the world to do it, and touched hands with a guy whos been training 5 times longer than me - AND walked away :eek:
Also scared them (and made them laugh nervously) by fighting upside down while standing on my head! :eek:
dawood
LOL @ both Dawood & Serpent.
I have often felt there was a lot of common ground between Wing Chun & Ngor Chor, particularly in the linear movement and the philosophy of attacking the centre.
I tend to use palms in gloveless sparring basically for safety. Ngor Chor uses a lot of punches, but I tend not to use them unless safety gear is being worn - otherwise the deadly nature of my art would have killed you :D.
All in all Dez, you did change my mind about Wing Chun to a certain extent. Up until when we met my impression of Wing Chun was based solely on some demos I had seen of a well known Sydney Master who shall remain nameless, but I am sure Dez & Serpent know who I am talking about :D. Let’s just say he left me very underwhelmed. But touching hands with Dez showed me a lot more about Wing Chun.
And Dez - not only were you upside-down and standing on your head, but you walked away from it and was healthier than I was!!!
LOL! it was a good time, enjoyed meeting everyone a lot. Gives me more reason to come back to sydney - especially as i missed prana this time…
they should make a warning announcement “all wing chun is NOT the same”
dawood
hello joedoe 
There are fundamental differences in the fighting philosophies. Wing Chun appears to focus on speed to generate the power, and mobility (I may be wrong here). Ngor Chor uses a concept of heavy hands and rooting.
joedoe - I think you will find wingchun is much more similar to Ngor Chor then you realise. Wingchun does not rely on speed but sensitivity, not strength but structure, and not power but precision. I am not familiar with Ngor Chor but from your short description it sounds like it shares those traits?
Actually I am finding that a lot of the southern arts share alot of the same traits.
joedoe: yup red5 is right - i was basically cr@pping my pants at the thought of you mowing me down - hence the speed and running away part…
also the fact im not very good
dawood
Pitbull: Hey man, how are things going?
red5: Yup, as I said my experience with Wing Chun is basically limited to watching bad demos and touching hands with Dez for a short while. Hard to get a good idea of an art thru that You are right though, I feel that most of the Southern arts share a lot in common.
Dez: Am I really that scary? I always see myself as a fairly average, non-threatening kinda dude. BTW your Wing Chun seemed fine to me
nah youre not that scary… but it may have had something to do with a) the way you kept laughing as you were trying to pound me and b) the size differential. So as long as i never have to fight you - youre a top bloke lol
To be honest ive never touched hands with someone who was that much more powerful than me before, so thats why i was nervous. But it was good
dawood
I can’t help it - I always end up laughing when I practise. Dunno why.
I guess outweighing you by probably 30kgs would also be a bit intimidating
joe: sleepless…guarding my dog’s litter of 9 pit pups…
is wing chun also made for short and syocky guys?
i chose ngo chor not only bec many in our family trained in it but it also fits my body class…short and stocky at 5’3 and 145lbs…
Originally posted by pitbull
[B]joe: sleepless…guarding my dog’s litter of 9 pit pups…
is wing chun also made for short and syocky guys?
i chose ngo chor not only bec many in our family trained in it but it also fits my body class…short and stocky at 5’3 and 145lbs… [/B]
Fair is fair I guess - as long as your dog guards your litter, you should help guard her litter
As for question about Wing Chun - I am not sure but Dez definitely is not short and stocky From the pictures I have seen of Yip Man and his students they weren’t expecially stocky either.