[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1108208]Do you, or have you ever used the method of training where you punch with a dumbbell in your hand?[/QUOTE]
Nah, pathway is wrong in terms of punching BUT it does build shoulder and arm endurance.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108383]Nah, pathway is wrong in terms of punching BUT it does build shoulder and arm endurance.[/QUOTE]
hey i said that!
there are also better ways to build endurance IMHO
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108383]Nah, pathway is wrong in terms of punching BUT it does build shoulder and arm endurance.[/QUOTE]
I suppose. I don’t do it myself. If it’s about shoulder and arm endurance, there’s way better and more effective ways to develop that.
I just see guys doing this and I wonder why.
I can’t see the benefit overall and I can’t see why to do that when there are better ways.
Thanks
Back when I practiced han sword, my instructor gave me a certain steel blade that was diabolically heavy (at the tip, not at the guard as it should be). It sucked at first, but after a couple months my forearms were huge and could grip the sword for a considerable amount of time.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1108386]I suppose. I don’t do it myself. If it’s about shoulder and arm endurance, there’s way better and more effective ways to develop that.
I just see guys doing this and I wonder why.
I can’t see the benefit overall and I can’t see why to do that when there are better ways.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Well, if you are gonna spend most of the time doing uppercuts, MAYBE then it’s ok, but why bother.
hey i said that!
there are also better ways to build endurance IMHO
And you are correct.
But some people just like doing stuff that is hard and makes it a workout.
Many of the things done in the past were done that way because there wasn’t a better way.
If there is a better way now, then we should do it.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108410]Well, if you are gonna spend most of the time doing uppercuts, MAYBE then it’s ok, but why bother.
And you are correct.
But some people just like doing stuff that is hard and makes it a workout.
Many of the things done in the past were done that way because there wasn’t a better way.
If there is a better way now, then we should do it.[/QUOTE]
As someone once said, any fool can make someone tired and vomit, its take time and effort to actually make someone stronger and fitter
As for the rest of what you said Heresy just heresy soon you will be on peoples ignore list too
To be honest building strength is not that hard or time consuming, the same with conditioning (although it is more complete than strength work) all the info you need is out there these days but people are sometimes loath to let things go
[QUOTE=Frost;1108412]As someone once said, any fool can make someone tired and vomit, its take time and effort to actually make someone stronger and fitter
As for the rest of what you said Heresy just heresy soon you will be on peoples ignore list too
To be honest building strength is not that hard or time consuming, the same with conditioning (although it is more complete than strength work) all the info you need is out there these days but people are sometimes loath to let things go[/QUOTE]
I agree.
As you know I am an advocate of general strength building ( powerlifting and such) first and then unto “sport specific” ST.
Building a good core strength is not hard, heck I took my wife and all her 118lbs from BW squats to doing 220lbs for 5 reps in less than 6 months.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1108410]…
And you are correct.
But some people just like doing stuff that is hard and makes it a workout.
Many of the things done in the past were done that way because there wasn’t a better way.
If there is a better way now, then we should do it.[/QUOTE]
I’m a big fan of varied workouts, doing different things as part of the event. I was reading about an exercise theory, (CST) http://www.rmaxi.com/cst/, and they are all about full mobility, and applicable strength. They use indian clubs instead of kettle bells…
They talk a lot about core, and the strength of the physiology surrounding the muscle, including connective tissue, joints and the sheath of muscle that surrounds muscle(?).
I see a lot of common ground in some of the old school exercises which focused more on a movement than on a muscle.
Another classic exercise is taking a sledge hammer and swinging it over your head, around your body in circles. Not like a f-ing helicopter though. The higher you hold the head, the harder it is on your guts. Its more about letting the swinging raise the hammer than putting just a bit more into it, and going for duration.
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1108587]Another classic exercise is taking a sledge hammer and swinging it over your head, around your body in circles. Not like a f-ing helicopter though. The higher you hold the head, the harder it is on your guts. Its more about letting the swinging raise the hammer than putting just a bit more into it, and going for duration.[/QUOTE]
wrapping dumbells like you wrap a darn dao is also a heck of an exercise.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1108604]wrapping dumbells like you wrap a darn dao is also a heck of an exercise.[/QUOTE]
Gonna hafta explain…:o
[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1108613]Gonna hafta explain…:o[/QUOTE]
gonna assume you use a broadsword, specifically a chinese broadsword.
in the use of single sided blade, there is a defense/reset technique called wrapping.
you basically draw a circle around yourself with the blade.
you can do it forward or back.
essence of the motion is this:
http://www.wushu.net.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:wrapping-with-broadsword&catid=41:daoshu-basic-techniques&Itemid=74
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1107864]Anybody use weight vest? Metal rings? Legs weights?
Notice a difference in your endurance? Strength? Flow?
how long were you using resistance items before you started to physically notice the benefits.
For instance, for me, it took about 6 months to a year of steady 3x weekly use of metal rings and dit da jow before my arms would no longer bruise form their use.
bridges can withstand more and allow more issuance of force through them as a striking weapon.
so, what do you use, how long have you used it, what were your expected benefits and what were your real benefits?
thanks![/QUOTE]
Hi David,
Just found this post.
Have been using iron rings for about 7 years every week I guess. Its one of the main methods in Ziranmen training - have posted some clips up here from time to time. Cant remember the weights - we got them made up by a metal worker for us. I started on 3 rings then over the years moved to 5 where I am now, been there for a while and will add more weight when I can complete all the drills without strain and in a relaxed manner. I cant recall the time frames on when I inceased the ring number but basically when I could not notice the weight on my arm anymore. I find that the arms thin out rather than bulk up, they get really hard but not bulky and are still soft on the outer layers but really hard once you penetrate the skin a little, thats in the training we do anyhow. This type of training is also designed to strengthen the tendons, you will find they get really strong. Its the old iron wrapped in cotton blurb. I have noticed doing applications with partners that - you can stay really loose and light while someone else who may not be doing that type of training will say, man you were grinding me down…when you were using no effort at all your just used to carrying a larger amount of weight on your arms.
Im interested, I know the rings can bite a little from time to time but bruising and jow - what were you doing with them, just interested in the method.
You may have seen this but gives you an idea of our ring training.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh0ZIzk0pzk
those rings make a beautiful sound in your video when you train with them, like the music of wind chimes
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1108658]gonna assume you use a broadsword, specifically a chinese broadsword.
in the use of single sided blade, there is a defense/reset technique called wrapping.
you basically draw a circle around yourself with the blade.
you can do it forward or back.
essence of the motion is this:
http://www.wushu.net.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:wrapping-with-broadsword&catid=41:daoshu-basic-techniques&Itemid=74[/QUOTE]
Yep, that’s the go…one or two handed versions is what we are talking about.
in that vid it must just be describe that one wrap, cuz u can go either way clock wise or counter clock wise…
I use a street people. They weigh almost as much as real people and you can hit them and they can’t call the cops because they on drugs.
[QUOTE=;1108692]I use a street people. They weigh almost as much as real people and you can hit them and they can’t call the cops because they on drugs.[/QUOTE]
lol idk where you live but i would like to introduce you to some street kids i know. i want you to just attack them outright, we wont tell them anything, and yo ucan even sneak attack them with a stick to give you a fair chance. i’ll film it, and i’ll even pick you up from the hospital a few days later…if you survive.
No…only meth streets.
PCP will make them monkey retard strong.
Meth people break with one punch and make you feel power.
oh i see, im sorry, i didnt realize you can only fight weaklings. i had you mistaken for a man. my bad.