Weapons banned in the UK!

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A QUOTE FROM THE SUN NEWSPAPER, 11/12/2207

All Samurai Swords are set to be outlawed tomorrow in a crackdown on lethal weapons

BAN THE BLADE

SAMURAI swords were designed for one purpose — to kill with shocking efficiency.

In the wrong hands, they are as dangerous as any gun.

There is no place for such fearsome blades on our streets.

Yet they are now the weapon of choice for gangsters and psychopaths.

Ministers are right to ban the sale of all imitation weapons.

Legitimate collectors can keep historic originals by licensed Japanese swordsmiths — under lock and key.

But we must stop more innocent victims being hacked to death by drug-crazed or demented thugs with such weapons.

Email your views to g.pascoewatson@the-sun.co.uk

Proof that the UK Martial Arts community, especially the weaponry enthusiast, is going to be hard-hit AGAIN by the introduction of new laws banning the possession of any bladed weapon or replica-type blade.

A Police source said (to The Sun) “The Government is going to act firmly and decisively. Samurai swords are increasingly being used on the streets as some sort of macho weapon. It is right hey are taken out of circulation once and for all.”

Any breach of the law will lead to a min 6 month jail term and a 5 thousand pounds fine.

I know of no weaponry or Martial Art specialist that has been consulted during this process. No middle ground. No monitoring system in place. Just an outright ban.

If this attitude spreads in the UK I can’t see a good future for the Martial Arts Import businesses here, and being an enthusiast myself I’m disgusted in my government again for reacting in a similar way to the eighties ‘nunchaku ban’ in Bruce Lee’s movies. Soon, legislation like this may even spread to training weapons, wushu swords and who knows what else??!!

Does anyone out there have an opinion on this madness??

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Weapons banned in the UK!

I felt that I had to share this info within the Kung Fu Forum! Click the internal link to see what all the fuss is about:

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49333

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Full PDF Document Online

I’ve just found this info on the Home Office website, which is worth a read although all consultation for this subject actually ended in May:

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documents/cons-ban-offensive-weapons-0307

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samurai swords are of little concern to kungfu men. :stuck_out_tongue:

sorry to hear that the uk is becoming even more of a nanny welfare state than it already is.

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[QUOTE=David Jamieson;825625]samurai swords are of little concern to kungfu men. :p.[/QUOTE]

David,

Maybe when you read the actual term to be used you may have a rethink! It’s stated in the HO document that this addition to the Offensive Weapons Order 1988 is to be

“a curved, single edged sword (sometimes known as a ‘samurai sword’)”

17 other weapons appear on this order including ‘Push Daggers & Butterfly Knives’.

Still not concerned?

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A bann is harsh but a requirement to obtain a permit is more feasible.

Just like it was in Hong Kong, I remember reading that the sifu of the Taiji mantis school had to have a permit for each of his Kung Fu weapons, Can’t remember exactly but think he did not have an actual chain whip because they would not give him a permit for such a weapon.

I wouldn’t mind this being implemented here in the states for all weapons. would definetly cut down on the wrong kinds of people getting a hold of them.

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my lack of concern is because it is in britain. I’m in Canada and it doesn’t effect me whatsoever. so…write your mp?

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We assume butcher knives are next ?

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Just another one of the U.K’s many, many steps to make its people back into serfs.

One of the biggest anti-self defense countries in the free world.

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you would think they would allow liscenses to be issued to MA instructors/ school owners and that while a student is training on that schools premises would be using the instructors liscense. of course that would put the burden on the school/instructor to store all of the weapons but its better than nothing. of course that sucks for ppl that want to train in parks and out of schools. my suggestion is become a staff enthusiast while they are still legal.

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I wouldn’t mind this being implemented here in the states for all weapons. would definetly cut down on the wrong kinds of people getting a hold of them.

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Are you on CRACK? The Wrong people will get them no matter what…LAWS do not apply to them. They are free to acquire any weapon they wish, and implement it in any manor that suites thier fancy. Why? Agian, becasue they are not bound by the laws!! Everytime I see a coment like that I just smack myself in the head at the sheer stupidity of the person who made the comment…how dense can you be to not see what is crystal clear to everyone else? You are the type that would get an arm hacked off by someone with bread knife, and instead of realising that you could not defend yourself because it was illegal for you to carry a weapon, you will call for the banning of bread knives so MORE law abiding citizens can be disarmed even more, making your situation even more common.

The only thing a new law will do is prevent the Law ABIDING citizen to arm themselves for self defense. All they do is disarm the good people. The criminals just start laughing at you because they can now do whatever they want and you can’t stop them. It becomes a joke to them, a game. Do you really want to feed thier power trips, and bring them laughter and enjoyment at the ease of thier ablities to inflict harm on you?. Criminals WANT weapons to be illegal because it gives them more controll and power…why would you want to do that? Do you really want it to become EASIER for them to commit crimes against you? Do you really want it to be easier for them to rob and kill you?

What about your daughter? Do you feel safer knwoing she can sleep with a Dagger under her pillow? or would you rather she has no recourse to fight back and must succumb to being gang raped by criminals who enjoy having all the weapons in the world?

I don’t know about you, but I feel a hell of a lot better that she has the tools to protect herself. What kind of Pure Asshole do you have to be to want to take that away from her???

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Hardly. This is another example of the government creating pointless new laws to appear “tough on crime” . It’s already illegal to carry a long blade outside without good reason (going to dismember your rivals not being one :wink: ), so what exactly is this law going to change? Most blade related crimes occur with a kitchen knife anyway :rolleyes:
We’ll see what happens tomorrow (the Sun is hardly the most reliable source).

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The biggest issue with banning anything is that it keeps it from the hands of law abiding people, criminals and people with criminal intent will still get to them.

Certainly, in an ideal world, there would be no firearms, no bladed weapons, no impact weapons and nothing that could be used as a weapon, but since that world has NEVER EXISTED, something else needs to be done.

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I am not sure what happened to this thread, but I posted a long response to ngokfei’s comment and it dissapeared. I feel it needs to be said and luckly I was able to find it all cached in my browser with my Back button.

Here is what he said.

[I]ngokfei ngokfei

Join Date: Jan 1970
Location: Covington, Georgia
Posts: 858
A bann is harsh but a requirement to obtain a permit is more feasible.

Just like it was in Hong Kong, I remember reading that the sifu of the Taiji mantis school had to have a permit for each of his Kung Fu weapons, Can’t remember exactly but think he did not have an actual chain whip because they would not give him a permit for such a weapon.

I wouldn’t mind this being implemented here in the states for all weapons. would definetly cut down on the wrong kinds of people getting a hold of them.[/I]

Here is my response:
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RD’S Alias - 1A RD’S Alias - 1A is online now
The Emperor!!

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,927
I wouldn’t mind this being implemented here in the states for all weapons. would definetly cut down on the wrong kinds of people getting a hold of them.

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Are you on CRACK? The Wrong people will get them no matter what…LAWS do not apply to them. They are free to acquire any weapon they wish, and implement it in any manor that suites thier fancy. Why? Agian, becasue they are not bound by the laws!! Everytime I see a coment like that I just smack myself in the head at the sheer stupidity of the person who made the comment…how dense can you be to not see what is crystal clear to everyone else? You are the type that would get an arm hacked off by someone with bread knife, and instead of realising that you could not defend yourself because it was illegal for you to carry a weapon, you will call for the banning of bread knives so MORE law abiding citizens can be disarmed even more, making your situation even more common.

The only thing a new law will do is prevent the Law ABIDING citizen to arm themselves for self defense. All they do is disarm the good people. The criminals just start laughing at you because they can now do whatever they want and you can’t stop them. It becomes a joke to them, a game. Do you really want to feed thier power trips, and bring them laughter and enjoyment at the ease of thier ablities to inflict harm on you?. Criminals WANT weapons to be illegal because it gives them more controll and power…why would you want to do that? Do you really want it to become EASIER for them to commit crimes against you? Do you really want it to be easier for them to rob and kill you?

What about your daughter? Do you feel safer knwoing she can sleep with a Dagger under her pillow? or would you rather she has no recourse to fight back and must succumb to being gang raped by criminals who enjoy having all the weapons in the world?

I don’t know about you, but I feel a hell of a lot better that she has the tools to protect herself. What kind of Pure ASSHOLE do you have to be to want to take that away from her???

Royal Dragon’s secret Alias profile for trolling. [/I]

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My post was loss too…next time I will use my chi !
:smiley:

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I figured out what happened, I replied to the thread on the link…it’s on the Martial Media and Popular Culture board. My post is still there.

This is a topic that belongs on this forum though.

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Certainly, in an ideal world, there would be no firearms, no bladed weapons, no impact weapons and nothing that could be used as a weapon, but since that world has NEVER EXISTED, something else needs to be done.

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Well said. That world will never exist either. Does anyone actually think the Mexicans that have invaded and occupied the Southwester US care about our laws? No, they don’t…which is why there is such a growing state of anarchy down there. If you are not armed, you will be at thier mercy.

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[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;825672]Certainly, in an ideal world, there would be no firearms, no bladed weapons, no impact weapons and nothing that could be used as a weapon, but since that world has NEVER EXISTED, something else needs to be done.

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Well said. That world will never exist either. Does anyone actually think the Mexicans that have invaded and occupied the Southwester US care about our laws? No, they don’t…which is why there is such a growing state of anarchy down there. If you are not armed, you will be at thier mercy.[/QUOTE]

Off your meds today?

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;825621]
There is no place for such fearsome blades on our streets.

Yet they are now the weapon of choice for gangsters and psychopaths.

Ministers are right to ban the sale of all imitation weapons.

Legitimate collectors can keep historic originals by licensed Japanese swordsmiths — under lock and key.

But we must stop more innocent victims being hacked to death by drug-crazed or demented thugs with such weapons.
[/QUOTE]

Hey, I’ve got an idea… why not ban drug-crazed and demented thugs instead? Doesn’t that make more sense? It would definitely cut out the middleman (pun intended)

The UK has just given up its last ray of hope against being assimilated into the Ummah.

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Hey, I’ve got an idea… why not ban drug-crazed and demented thugs instead? Doesn’t that make more sense? It would definitely cut out the middleman (pun intended)

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They are already banned..doesn’t seem to be doing much good…