Off your meds today?
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No, What do you ask?
RDs
Actually you are probably one of those I would label as “wrong people”.
Just reading you lengthy ranting posts makes me wonder about you.
That’s good, smack your self, real stable personality.
Speaking of being gang raped, does it still hurt? I hear the 1st time is the worse but then gets easier..
Funny how you mention law abiding. Watching/reading the news or taking alook at the Polices Log I don’t read about many incidences where self defense took place. Mall shooting, oh and what about that guy in Texas? who shot 2 burglars who were not even robbing his house. They are going to like him on the inside:D
A$$holio or should I say (Raw D:ck’s 1 A$$)
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49329
People defend themselves and others ALL the time smart asss…
Look at how many lives were saved becasue this woman had a gun and was armed. If she had not, all those innocent people would have been killed becasue the BAD GUYS will be armed no matter WHAT the law says…Moron!
People like you just want to take our ability to defend ourselfs away so the criminals can freely prey on us without resistance.
Here, read these at the bottom of this page
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/14817480/detail.html
* December 10, 2007: Police: Same Gunman Attacked Both Churches
* December 10, 2007: Gunman Opens Fire At Missionary Center; 2 Killed, 2 Hurt
* December 10, 2007: 6 Shot At New Life Church; Gunman, 2 Churchgoers Dead
* December 10, 2007: Report: No General Alert Sent After Arvada Shootings
If more people had been armed, then these criminals would not have killed so many innocent people.
Taking weapons away form good people so they cannot defend themselves makes you a worthless ***** in my book. You need to be faced with the very situation you are trying to created and see how well you do against armed criminals…I bet you’d be praying for a weapon and a shot to protect your life.
Actually you are probably one of those I would label as “wrong people”.
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Why? Because I am willing to step up and defend people and I speak up when asshols like you want to take peoples right to self defense away?
I got news for you, you may classify me anyway you want, but when the girl in the next building got attacked by the 6’3 monster with the stick ready to rain down on her becasue he didn’t like her Dogs, I was there to defend her…you would be making sure she wasn’t allowed defense or protection, and had to succumb to his beating. :mad:
Hopefully things don’t go that far here. It’s already tough to get chain whips, nunchaku, and 3 section staffs. My club has to sneak anything like that through the border with “understanding” friends. The reason those are illegal is that they are concealable. I don’t see a sword as being concealable though.
Be part of the solution and not part of the probem.
That was a great thing you did.
Why not take it to the next level and become a Police Officer. Then you can do what you love.
and if you read my original post I said
“A bann is harsh but a requirement to obtain a permit is more feasible.”
“I wouldn’t mind this being implemented here in the states for all weapons. would definetly cut down on the wrong kinds of people getting a hold of them.”
There are many weapons one can carry that is legal. And for weapons that are not then a Permit to Carry is a good idea.
hand held gardening tools are very appealing:D
Permit to Carry is a good idea.
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No, it’s not, It is too cumbersome a process, and is much harder than just putting your knife on your belt in the morning. Just to get an FOID card you have to fiol out forms, get your picture taken, it’s a big ordeal when compared to just putting yur knife on your belt in the morning…so people will have to put it off for other priorities…then when the time comes and they need it it’s too late.
better to leave it unregulated so good people have no hindrances in self protection…the criminals are unhindered and allways will be no matter what laws are put in place…heck, it’s ALREADY illegal to be a criminal. That has yet to stop any of them ever.
I guess you have something to hide? or just parranoid..
A simple solution and you find a problem with it. Guess you can’t take time off from work to be safe…
I neve thought I’d be quoting this:
[SIZE=“5”]“Freedom isn’t Free”. [/SIZE]
I shouldn’t have to take time off of work to be safe…the criminals don’t take time off of work when they attack…why should I?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;825793]Permit to Carry is a good idea.
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No, it’s not, It is too cumbersome a process, and is much harder than just putting your knife on your belt in the morning. Just to get an FOID card you have to fiol out forms, get your picture taken, it’s a big ordeal when compared to just putting yur knife on your belt in the morning…so people will have to put it off for other priorities…then when the time comes and they need it it’s too late.
better to leave it unregulated so good people have no hindrances in self protection…the criminals are unhindered and allways will be no matter what laws are put in place…heck, it’s ALREADY illegal to be a criminal. That has yet to stop any of them ever.[/QUOTE]
RD, I am with you regards to being armed and all that. I have been a 2nd Ammendment proponent all my life. As well as my entire family.
However, here is where I sit on the fence. I have met some serious wacko’s in my life. I really would not like for these people to have firearms let alone a fork. With that said, what Ngok Fei said does make sense. Have a permit to carry. A process like we have here in TX and other state that allow CCW. If you do, do not restrict what I can carry. If I want to carry a Mac10, why the hell not.
As far as cumbersome process. Guess one does not value their life enough if they think protecting it is cumbersome. I have a concealed carry permit. Took 10hr class. Handgun proficiency exam(that was another hr). Fingerprinted. FBI background check. Credit check. Then paid $60 and waiting 3mos.
There should be a national CCW process. Firearms should not be classified by their type, semi auto, auto(assualt weapon) etc. They all go bang. They all can be used for good or bad. They are just tools.
“Freedom isn’t Free”.
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That has nothing to do with this.
What if I am attacked while on my way to fill out my forms? Do I tell the criminal to wait while I get my picture taken, and fill out forms to be mailed in?
Sorry, that is bull****. All good people should have UNRESTRICTED freedom to carry weapons. The bad guys have unrestricted freedom, we need to at least be able to compete on the same level.
As far as cumbersome process. Guess one does not value their life enough if they think protecting it is cumbersome. I have a concealed carry permit. Took 10hr class. Handgun proficiency exam(that was another hr). Fingerprinted. FBI background check. Credit check. Then paid $60 and waiting 3mos.
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The bad guy stuffed a gun in his pants and off he went…took me longer to wright this than it took him to arm for the day’s kill.
Who the hell has TIME to go take a 10 hr class, pay $60,00 and wait 3 months? How stupid do you have to be to see the ludicras idiocy of that?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;825812]As far as cumbersome process. Guess one does not value their life enough if they think protecting it is cumbersome. I have a concealed carry permit. Took 10hr class. Handgun proficiency exam(that was another hr). Fingerprinted. FBI background check. Credit check. Then paid $60 and waiting 3mos.
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The bad guy stuffed a gun in his pants and off he went…took me longer to wright this than it took him to arm for the day’s kill.
Who the hell has TIME to go take a 10 hr class, pay $60,00 and wait 3 months? How stupid do you have to be to see the ludicras idiocy of that?[/QUOTE]
Yes its pretty idiotic. Specially when there is a 2nd Ammendment written in our constitution. However, I am a law abiding citizen and will continue to do so and still protect myself. 
[QUOTE=ngokfei;825770]RDs
Funny how you mention law abiding. Watching/reading the news or taking alook at the Polices Log I don’t read about many incidences where self defense took place. Mall shooting, oh and what about that guy in Texas? who shot 2 burglars who were not even robbing his house. They are going to like him on the inside:D
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Actually here in TX there is a law saying you can use deadly force to protect your person, another person, your property or the property of others. It was written back in cattle rustling days but never taken of the books.
Here it is: Penal Code Sec 9.43
http://www.texaspolicecentral.com/2007_-_2008_Penal_Code.pdf
There is a little itty bitty catch. The neighbor does have to say he asked to have his property looked after. If I was the neighbor that would’ve been a no brainer. “I asked his to watch my property your honor” Cased closed, you are free to go. Stand by for civil suit though.
xcakid.
Well if that was on the books then I don’t see any legal objection to what this guy did.
Yeah that Civil Suit is going to take away all his stuff:D
I guess classifying the types of guns helps if Law Enforcement has to knock at their door, Single Shot or get the f… down:eek:
[QUOTE=xcakid;825808]However, here is where I sit on the fence. I have met some serious wacko’s in my life. I really would not like for these people to have firearms let alone a fork. With that said, what Ngok Fei said does make sense. Have a permit to carry. A process like we have here in TX and other state that allow CCW. If you do, do not restrict what I can carry. If I want to carry a Mac10, why the hell not. [/quote]Interesting you chose a Mac10 as your example… isn’t that the one they call ‘Spray-and-pray’ because it’s so renowned for being inaccurate? Which is a good reason to ban that particular gun, no?
Point is, all of these things have been tested. Someone somewhere in a firearms training programme or in law enforcement has tested the Mac10 and found it a bloody liability. Guns should be rated on their accuracy.
What is a Mac10 designed for? It’s not a target shooter. It’s not for personal protection unless you’re getting chased by zombies/you’re in Precinct 13. It’s a criminals’ gun, isn’t it?
As far as cumbersome process. Guess one does not value their life enough if they think protecting it is cumbersome. I have a concealed carry permit. Took 10hr class. Handgun proficiency exam(that was another hr). Fingerprinted. FBI background check. Credit check. Then paid $60 and waiting 3mos.
Precisely. Crazy neo-KKK b@stards screaming about Mexicans invading and disregarding all your laws as they come to rape your house and burgle your daughter can scream all they want about wanting a gun, but basically, it’s not that much of a hassle to go through the checks. $60 seems a bit steep; 3 months does too, but if that’s the cost to the taxpayers to do the checks properly, I think that’s reasonable.
There should be a national CCW process. Firearms should not be classified by their type, semi auto, auto(assualt weapon) etc. They all go bang. They all can be used for good or bad. They are just tools.
That’s where we disagree. As I said, a Mac10 is a crims’ weapon, full stop. A handgun class is a great idea, and do you think that that would then make people proficient in assault rifles too? How about sniper rifles? Automatic shotguns? There should be courses, and tests and checks (and yes, stated reasons for wanting to own some of these weapons, even if that reason is just ‘gun collector’ or ‘gun enthusiast’ in which case you should be the member of a club: the NRA would do!) for each class of weapon.
And as an Englishman intent on entering politics, that’s what I intend to push for in the UK too. Although, in the UK there should be no carry permission, since the gun crime problem is nowhere near as bad as the US. Banning people from owning firearms/swords in their homes is wrong though. I quite like the Swiss militia system, where everybody has to have a weapon in working order with a registered number of bullets and attend shooting courses several times every year… but in the UK that wouldn’t work, because we’re a helluva a lot more ghetto than Switzerland!
[QUOTE=xcakid;825814]Yes its pretty idiotic. Specially when there is a 2nd Ammendment written in our constitution. However, I am a law abiding citizen and will continue to do so and still protect myself. :D[/quote]Your point on the Constitution: it’s a two-hundred year-old document with many of the articles having a direct precedent in the British Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta. It’s old school! While I’m for a constitution in many ways, it shouldn’t be the Gospel: the law should be the checks and balances on it and federal gun laws are a good example of people having some say in how the articles of the Constitution are interpreted.
Well, to be precise, the Constitution and the Law should be mutually supportive and restrictive, and gun laws are a good example of Constitution and Law working properly together IMO.
Actually here in TX there is a law saying you can use deadly force to protect your person, another person, your property or the property of others. It was written back in cattle rustling days but never taken of the books.
Excellent law!
…There is a little itty bitty catch. The neighbor does have to say he asked to have his property looked after. If I was the neighbor that would’ve been a no brainer. “I asked his to watch my property your honor” Cased closed, you are free to go. Stand by for civil suit though.
That’s where neighbourhood watch schemes could come in useful. Sign up for the Watch and have that clause written in: you are asking your neighbours to wacth your property!
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;825945]Interesting you chose a Mac10 as your example… isn’t that the one they call ‘Spray-and-pray’ because it’s so renowned for being inaccurate? Which is a good reason to ban that particular gun, no?
Point is, all of these things have been tested. Someone somewhere in a firearms training programme or in law enforcement has tested the Mac10 and found it a bloody liability. Guns should be rated on their accuracy.
What is a Mac10 designed for? It’s not a target shooter. It’s not for personal protection unless you’re getting chased by zombies/you’re in Precinct 13. It’s a criminals’ gun, isn’t it? [/quote]
Tell that to the Israeli commando who used the Mac10 in conjuntion with the Uzi. They are used for single shots not spray and pray. And yes I have used a Mac10 civilian version so it was semi. It is rated as a pistol and as such should not be used over 25yrs. In that ranged its accuracy is not bad at all.
Many private security and the US secret service used them. Up till the H&K MP5K and the mini Uzi came to popularity and similar compactness to make it feasible to conceal effectively.
The problem with Mac10’s in accuracy is not the gun itself. It is with the various modification to accomodate many different calibers. With its short barrel and twist rate it is best suited in a .45ACP. However other variants like the 9MM, require a fast twist rate made it inaccurate. The sight also contributes to its inaccuracy. Putting a halo site or red dot site would greatly increase it.
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That’s where we disagree. As I said, a Mac10 is a crims’ weapon, full stop. A handgun class is a great idea, and do you think that that would then make people proficient in assault rifles too? How about sniper rifles? Automatic shotguns? There should be courses, and tests and checks (and yes, stated reasons for wanting to own some of these weapons, even if that reason is just ‘gun collector’ or ‘gun enthusiast’ in which case you should be the member of a club: the NRA would do!) for each class of weapon.
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First I believe you buy into the medias description of assualt weapon in which they include semi auto rifles. Assualt weapon by military definition should be fully automatic weapon.
Second yes. Gun ownership come with responsibility. You have it, learn to use it. Myself and people I know(friends) that are firearms enthusiast, all take classes. I have taken various tactical handgun and rifle courses. I use to compete in practical and tactical shooting matches quite a bit. My recently unemployment has hampered that lately. Sniper, well not really my bag. I am more of a defensive and tactical shooter. So those are the training I take. My late brother however was a hunter, so he did take long range shooting classes. Concealment classes, etc.
I believe most responsible gun owners here in the US do belong to the NRA. I am a life member so is my entire family with the exception of my mom. I am also a member of GOA (Gun Owners of America). Like I said, I believe gun ownership is a responsibility. It is those that are not educated with firearms that tend to do more harm to others and themselves. Due to the fact that they see it as a thing of destruction ONLY.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;825945]I quite like the Swiss militia system, where everybody has to have a weapon in working order with a registered number of bullets and attend shooting courses several times every year… but in the UK that wouldn’t work, because we’re a helluva a lot more ghetto than Switzerland![/QUOTE]
Well see that is the whole purpose of the US 2nd Ammendment. A civilian militia to support and protect their own property. Thomas Jefferson even went as far as saying that it is to protect the civilians from its own government. However, I believe he was referring the British rule.
It has been argued in our supreme court that since we have a National Guard, the 2nd ammedment was set up for that purpose. Given that our National Guard is able to deploy overseas that is highly unlikely.
The Second Amendment is such a fundamental right for the American individual that it is sacred to what our country is and who we are as a people. I am a member of the NRA and GOA, being more a fan of the GOA as they really seem to understand that statement to its real core value.
People possess extactly as much freedom as they can take or defend and the U.S. Constitution should be taken as a form of gospel in a certain respect if not in that full respect.
That is why I really like Huckabee right now, he is where the second should stand, a solid position of non-retreat, and holding it’s spirit to its core.
Ron Paul is excellent as well for the second, but right now, Huckabee is taking first place for me in this regard.
Everyone on the planet should be trained in the use of all the latest weaponry technologies for all modalities. From boxing and wrestling to small arms and different vehicle and ordinance delivery systems with eventual understanding of global thermonuclear warfare.
That way there would be global deterrence and arguments would be very short.