depends on what you mean by learn, too though. There are certainly things you can learn from WC videos. But obviously it’s no substitute for proper instruction as far as your growth in WC is concerned. But hey, someone had to come up with WC, so maybe the guy learning from the video will somehow decipher the inner workings of the system simply from his own introspection.
maybe.
;]
-BP-
BP..
Certainly videos can enhance training, but they cannot be the only tool, or even the main one. Nothing can substitute for a good sifu. But hey, that’s just one guy’s opinion.
Matrix
One can create a martial art w/out a teacher but one cannot learn a martial art w/out a teacher.
However, one CAN learn how to fight w/out a teacher…
again, depends on what you want to get out of it.
Can you get good WC from a video? No.
No sh|t. Need to look past that.
There’s still a lot that can be taken note of in videos… and most of the time it’s not even the subject matter that’s being discussed/applied. Just need to know how to look.
On the other hand, however “trained” the eye, sometimes appearances can be deceiving. Depends on how tricky the person is!
How tricky are you?
=)
-BP-
JasBourne said:
but you will have zero understanding of why you do what you do. The tan sau goes forward along the centerline. Why? Where is your intention during tan sau positioning? Why? Where is the crook of your elbow pointing? Why? What leads your huen sau movement? Why? Where is your tailbone? Your neck? Why?
How about I try to answer these, and then if you could give me the correct answers it would totally help me out 
No one make fun of my answers, except for those of you who were born with knowledge of WC.
The tan sau goes forward along the centerline. Why?
Off the top of my head, I would guess:
1)To stress the importance of centerline applications and location both physically and neurologically
2)Because it’s most effecient along the centerline
3)Because it can most easily be turned into an attack (to the centerline) from this position
Where is your intention during tan sau positioning? Why?
Intention? Forward, I guess.
Where is the crook of your elbow pointing?
Down
Why?
Because that’s what a tan sau is. If your elbow was up it would be a bong sao 
What leads your huen sau movement? Why?
Huen Sau is that little circle between tan sao and wu sao in SLT, right? What do you mean “what leads the movement?” Isn’t that kind of like asking “what leads the movement in a pullup?”
Where is your tailbone?
Tilted in, like in a horse stance or during qigong or any other CMA stance.
Your neck?
As if hung from a string.
Why?
Internal answer: Because this helps to straighten the spine (along with pelvis tilted forward) and facilitates qi flow.
External answer: Because this facilitates greater relaxation, which is always listed as a key component of WC
Ok, now what are the right answers?
IronFist
Slobby-vingtsunstudent
You´d rather give the time and place were “mr. machine” is giving the seminar in Germany. So I can go and see by myself what the application of your slobby forms looks like. Seems very interesting to me what´s going to be left of practising the forms the way do. Cause in my opinion, there is no difference between doing the form in the right way and being in good positions when fighting.
again if your form is so perfect, show us.
i personally don’t keep up with my sifu’s movements whilst in germany as it half a world away but if you wanted to find him try a search on google under barry lee.
and another thing hans, atleast my sifu doesn’t have to post under aliases to try & drum up business for his own school,although it does look like you have decided to take some medication as we haven’t seen botha for a few days, let alone any of the other names you post at the vtaa forum under.
vts
Hmmm…
Frankly, I don’t get that either. You initially asked the forum for it’s advise on good instructors in Holland, (cause you live there) and then end up being an instructor in Holland!
Nice one.
mun hung
I asked for a good Wing Chun teacher, as I practise WT. I´d like to learn the differences between the several different Wing Chun styles. Just out of curiosity and interest. On the forum I hear about beautiful theories, but I´d like to experience them by myself.
Slobby Student
Are you getting personal again? Don´t think your real name is VTS either. Besides, I´m not marketing my sifu as you do.
hans
the problem with being ‘Just a Mirror’ is that you can’t see that you are just a peanut with no credibility.
if you wish to keep annoying me & having the hide to ask if i am the one getting personal again, then, my second rate nobody, you will end updoing no more than playing with yourself, which it seems is the only thing you are probably a master at.
i have given you an idea where to look.
now come back when you have found out the truth.
vts
by the way my name is anthony coleman & have posted it several times in the past, unlike you i am not here to play silly little childrens games.
post in your real name or at least only with one signature & you might gain back just a small bit of credibility back, although i do doubt it.
besides all that i don’t think i am yet to see one REAL answer from you yet anyways
“You´d rather give the time and place were “mr. machine” is giving the seminar in Germany. So I can go and see by myself what the application of your slobby forms looks like. Seems very interesting to me what´s going to be left of practising the forms the way do. Cause in my opinion, there is no difference between doing the form in the right way and being in good positions when fighting.”
If I can suggest something to you all, just ignore this pathetic child. Please.
vt108
did you receive my e-mail.
and yes that was my last post to hans.
again e-mail me if you wish to chat.
vts
Well, as my name has been mentioned several times now within this thread, perhaps a comment is required…I would have done so earlier, but I had server problems that kept me off the Net until just a short time ago. In any case, here goes…
First of all, at least as far as WSL devotees are concerned, forms are for training, not for an audience, and serve as “living textbooks” of both technique, concepts and structure, designed to train ALL of the above under the most perfect of conditions so as to eventually “load” that skill base into our neural system. Forms are NOT a make-believe fight scenario, or set sequences for application in combat (and it is tantamount to suicide to think so), but a means to an end, that end being the ability to take whatever “tool” is needed for the job and apply it effectively under real conditions. Fighting is NOT a perfect situation, but if one has trained all movements and concepts as near as possible to perfection, then it is more likely that when applied under less than perfect conditions, what we employ will still get the job done as effectively as possible. For example, if one takes the ‘Taan Sau’ technique literally, the English translation is “to spread out with the hand”, the inference being that when applied as near as possible to flat/horizontal with the ground, one can suppress and redirect the opponent’s force sideways, thus nullifying it. Of course, for a variety of reasons, such as the physical size of the opponent, the angle of attack, the timing of the application of the movement, and so on, it can be expected that the technique will NOT be on the same angle/allignment as in the form. However, because it has been TRAINED as perfectly as possible, it will more than likely still effectively redirect the incoming force. Obviously I chose the ‘Taan Sau’ action as it seems that some of you feel that my Sifu’s ‘Taan Sau’ was poorly executed (I think it was referred to as “ugly”?!)…believe me, when he taught it, trained it and used it, it was bloody effective! As he said himself, we can all see a piece of artwork from a different perspective and cannot proove that it is either “right” or “wrong”, but when it comes to combat, what WORKS is all that matters. As a side comment, I would love to know what it is about his ‘Taan Sau’ that you find so bad, …and in what photograph can I best observe this inadequacy in his technique? Anyway, in summing up, never mind what something looks like because we are all different from each other, not clones or robots, and are supposed to be USING our Wing Chun as our personal tool, not being USED by it. Oh, and by the way, if you haven’t been on the other side of someone’s technique, don’t judge its effectiveness too soon…looks can be deceiving. VTS and Straightblast 5, thanks for your input on this topic. Regards to all,
DMP
Anthony
Nice to meet you, Anthony Coleman.
Seems your alter ego is awake. I tried you suggested me to do. Google under Barry Lee. Seems my browser doesn´t recognize the name. I even tried “The machine”, but as you probably now, no hits, at least.. . So, if you have some spare time, please give some more hints I can search on. Cause I´m looking forward to meet your Siu-Fu. I really do.
As for my credibility, I´m not to worried. Even if my answers don´t please the way you look upon Wing Chun. I´m sorry about that. You may dislike my opinion, you´re welcome. I´m not feeling offended, as I don´t like yours. So what.
I even think you can do better than accusing me of several identities.
Peter van der Weerden
hehehe
that folks is economy of motion!!!
Hey, can you guys stop hijacking my thread? As much fun as it is to watch you argue about who amongst us sucks, it doesn’t help keep the thread on topic very much, does it?
IronFist
Ironfist
In fact, my argue with mr. Coleman gives partly answer to your question. It seems indeed there is much difference in lineages regarding the form. As I already said: 1000 different Wing Chun styles, 1000 different SLT (SNT) forms. This also implicates the form is more than a good training exercise. Its the fundament for the applications in Wing Chun.
So, its true, we learn from every fight.
He Aussie,
Don’t make fun of my disease. I’m not allowed to make fun of yours. Isn’t fair, right?
Concernig this thread I think you need to do your forms correctly. How many correct ways are there? I don’t think it can be many. If you don’t need your form for fighting, why do the form? If you do need the form for fighting, then it would be strange if I altered the moves when fighting. I think every movement you need in wingchun can be found in the forms. Why else are there forms? So if your moves in fighting are different then in your forms, or the other way around, then the moves are not correct.
one more time for
peter pan from nether netherland
do give up everything as easily as you did this-
sifu+barry+lee on google
vts
Hey, someone give me the correct answers to those questions I was asked on page 3!
IronFist