Ok, I just watched the WSL tape (the one from amazon) again and pretty much learned the SLT form. However, one part on the tape was messed up so I had to consult my Augusting Fong SLT tape to see that part. I figured it out, no problem.
Now, what the hell is going on? Fong’s is SLT is very different from WSL’s (I like WSL’s better so that’s the one I’m going to be doing). I mean, some parts are totally different. Fong has this part where he does double straight punches with one hand on top of the other, which is totally absent from WSL’s form. In the beginning tan sau part (the slow part) he changes from fook sau (that’s what it’s called, right, the bent wrist block) to tan sau much differently than WSL does.
And then, on that cd I got with Yip Chun doing SLT, there’s another section on there with a bunch of different old guys doing SLT… and dámn, some of those really don’t look ANYTHING like Fong’s or WSL’s. I mean, if not for the slow tan sau part at the beginning, I wouldn’t have ever recognized it as SLT.
What’s going on? Is there really this much difference between lineages? Dámn, no wonder WC guys bicker about lineage and which is right so much.
Yuck. How’d I ever get attracted to this art in the first place
Try not to mix from different sifus YET. even in terms of instructional tapes, follow ONE person first. Even in terms of students under the same sifu, they do things differently. To avoid getting confused, stick with one instructor or tape series until you are experienced enough to go on. If you having this much confusion with Sil Lim Tao which is basically the same across all Yip Man lineages, what will happen when you get to Chum Kiu and Biu Tze which EVERY instructor practically does differently?!?! Have you seen the movie SCANNERS? lolll
WSL was a great fighter but his hands are not that great form-wise. His hands are pretty messy but fighting ability wasn’t affected by it. If you want good FORM, Fong might be better…
I know I migh get flamed for this, but you asked a legit question and I’m answering it based on my views. I am entitled to my views and you have a right to know them
If you want details of what I’m talking about, send me a private message so that I don’t offend WSL loyalists here
‘‘WSL was a great fighter but his hands are not that great form-wise. His hands are pretty messy but fighting ability wasn’t affected by it’’
emptycup
OH MY GOD
rather than reply i think i will just sit here & literally pi$$ myself laughing.
perhaps you should have been my comical sidekick cause $hit are you one funny dude or what.
vts
have you seen Wong’s tan sau? look at the angle and the fingers and thumb. Look at his jut sau and the way he crosses the centerline when chain punching. His side pak sau does not travel diagonally or straight but he packs topwards his own shoulder. Just a few examples. I know you will never see it differently so there’s no point talking about this issue. I stand by my views. Form is not as important as being able to use it. Therefore it doesn’t matter since he could use it. However, a beginner learning from tapes alone will copy his moves exactly. That is not good b/c a beginner is NOT Wong…
ha ha ha ho ho ho
i promised i wouldn’t say anything & ague with you but i never said i wouldn’t laugh at you.
he he he ho ho ho ha ha ha jkaqcfk nvkbas
whoops i just fell off my chair…please stop your killing me man.
vts
i know he wasn’t pefect & even he admitted so, infact he even used to tell of occassions where he got hit.
there are many reason for me to laugh at that though, but hey i like to live in my own litle laa laa land of false beliefs & second rate knowledge.
again, i could explain myself but i think you know the story by now.
he he he ho ho ho ha ha ha
vts
answer me about the form problems if you want to back up your comments. Laughing doesn’t do anything b’c so far I have stated why I have my view yet you mock me w/out backing up yourself.
emptycup
do you mean in his earlier years whilst fighting & training hard, do you mean when he was older doing seminars all over the world or do you mean in the video, perhaps you mean now when he’s gone & can’t defend himself or the reason why his form work ended up looking that way.
there is also a saying that is something like ‘do as i say not as i do’
do you sort of even understand.
another thing of interest is the stance- when you start, you keep the feet 45-60 degrees but as you progress in the system & have grasped all the concepts involved with that & your technique is good enough, you are free to no longer even stand this way in the first form.(most still do though due to the health benifits it has)
but does that mean when you teach someone you will not have them stand that way.
again, do you sort of understand.
then again maybe my piont will be lost as i am not the most literate of people.
i don’t wish to argue & i am sorry for laughing at your posts but i think it’s just funny. hey that’s just my kooky sense of humour.
vts
sunkuen
to reply to what you said about putting someone on a pedistal.
i hardly think respecting or admiring someone for their achievments has anything to do with that.
i think it’s more a case of credit where credit is due.
vts
Suggest learning from a good teacher rather than primarily from a tape- doesnt matter whose tape.
The three major forms are IMO “texts” of the system. Like texts on any serious subject there are differebt editions and
commentaries in different texts. Why be surprised- wing chun isnt
Funakoshi’s shotokan.
Different quite good sifus have some differences in their forms and “signature” moves and openings.
The double punch is one of the distinctive things on Augustine Fong’s slt- and there is a very good reason why it is there and for where it is placed. If you see Chao and Weakland - you will see that double punch- it is an useful drill
Rhetorically you wonder why you were learning the art.
Good question!!!
If you have to learn from a tape then i suggest Yip Chuns form.He performs slowly so the moves are clear and his form is plain vanilla.The others you mentioned have personalized their forms.You can go anywhere and perform the Yip Chun forms and not get any arguement over the form.
If you are going to learn a form that has benn personalized then you really need the teacher to explain why things are added or altered.
As an aside WSL was and early student and Yip Chun was a late period student.Yip Man did change things over the years.This accounts for some of the difference between the two.Fongs forms are his own so only he or his students can explain the differences.
I´m just a little wondering ´bout you just told us. So in your system you hard working on some techniques for several years to do them differently when you finally mastered them.
Funny…
hunt 1 said: If you have to learn from a tape then i suggest Yip Chuns form.
Do you mean the one I have? It’s the one where he’s doing the form in front of people in a gym or something (there’s mirrors there). It’s not really instructional, just him demonstrating it. Is this the one your talking about?
The others you mentioned have personalized their forms.You can go anywhere and perform the Yip Chun forms and not get any arguement over the form.
I’m sorry, what’s the reason for personalizing the forms? (Here comes the most relevant example I can think of) That sounds to me like someone learning the basics of playing guitar, and then changing it to accomodate their own personal habits, and then taking on students and teaching them their modified way, which might not work for the new student as it’s not the original way that was invented. Uh, yeah did that make sense? nevermind.
As an aside WSL was and early student and Yip Chun was a late period student.Yip Man did change things over the years.This accounts for some of the difference between the two.Fongs forms are his own so only he or his students can explain the differences.
WSL was early? So his would be more “original” right? So why did you recommend Yip Chun’s earlier?
just buy William Cheung tapes That way, you won’t get confused b/c only HE does things that way and that’s that.
kidding, Ironfist…don’t get even more confused now…
If you learn from video, you’ll have plenty of form errors anyways b/c you have nobody to correct you and it’s impossible for a novice to be able to correct himself in a style such as WC. Concentrate more on the applications taught. You can learn how to use it even if you don’t have perfect hands doing it
Are there really no WC teachers at all in your area?
Are there really no WC teachers at all in your area?
Yeah. Surprising considering that I’m at a University… isn’t there supposed to be a WC club or something? We do have Shotokan and TKD, tho
Um, there’s WC teacher in Chinatown (Chicago) but it would be extremely inconvenient for me to go there. Actually, he posts here sometimes, but I can’t remember his screenname. I think Ng is his last name. You probably know who I’m talking about.
And then in regards to my house when I’m not at college, the closest one is still like an hour away… buuuut, if I can’t get an internship this summer I may end up going there anyway just so my mom doesn’t yell at me for sitting around the house all day
Have you seen the movie SCANNERS? lolll
