Have you checked out the clips on Wing Chun Kwoon? What do you think of them? In comparison with how I do SLT, there’s a whole lot more circling arm movements on the site.
Umm, er, hmmm…yeah.
Barry Manilow ain’t no vegetable.
Funny that their forms have the same name as wing chun forms.
Barry Manilow ain’t no vegetable.
i have a 56k modem that for some reason only connects at 36k. anyway, after waiting for days, weeks, even years for this to download, it didn’t work cos i have a mac.
so, if you have a mac, don’t bother - unless you know how to get windows media player on os 9…
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This is a William Cheung School
So as this is a William Cheung style school that explains the difference. The next question of course would be, is this how Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun does it’s sets?
Whoah!!!
…that was different.
“Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do.”
showcase of Wlliam Cheung’s creativity
A nice display of “GM” William Cheung’s creativity, I suppose.
damnit they didnt work for me…il try again…
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ok i checked the slt on my pc. i thought wing chun wasn’t supposed to be flowery?
it’s just bad.
Edd
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If you tought those clips were funny…
I find it amazing that “masters” from the same lineage (Yip Man), show such wide differences in the execution of basic forms… Now, since I don’t know everything, I won’t say it’s garbage. But I’d be really interested in hearing the guy’s rationale behind some of his moves… I suspect THAT would be even funnier! I understand there may be slight differences between different Yip Man lineage sifus. But there should be a strong explanation based on WC principles for each moves. These clips make you wonder: How does a beginner differentiate between the good, the bad, and the ugly?
ST
Surrounded by chaos, the true taoist laughs…
hmmm
VERY interesting to say the least…its very different from the version i learned. the guy seemed really tense and choppy…i always thought slt was supposed to be done relaxed?
Its all fun and games til someone loses an
eye. Then its just fun.
and if i thought his SLT was different…
the chum kiu is almost a complete different form from what i was taught. you have to wonder why the same students of yipman all have slightly different versions of the forms. and then there is the one i just saw…<scratches head>
Its all fun and games til someone loses an
eye. Then its just fun.
My momma told me if you can’t say anything nice…
No comment…
Was just taught SLT (don’t have it down yet)…
I checked out the clip. It has simlarities but would really have screwed me up had I seen it before I went to class Aug 13.
As for form or style - that all leads back to the teacher/sifu debate that rages thoughout almost every chatroom or message board I have been on.
Props must be given to them tho for taking the time to at least post something such as that - it can be truly helpfull to those within that school. I would love it if I could get a video clip or still set of a black sash or sifu from my school doing SLT. It would be an excellent traing aid.
I agree that it’s great that they took the time to make the forms available. But they ARE rather strange looking, right? The people on the site claimed William Cheung lineage as I recall. Are there any students of his on the board who would like to comment?
In comparison with our SLT (Yui Choi - Yui Kiu - Tang Wai-po) there are significant differences in both techniques and, of course, flavor.
I’m not a student of WIlliam Cheung’s WC but I have seen it demonstrated several times by some of his students and ex students. From what I remember, the MPEGS seem pretty typical of their WC in terms of choreography. They also have an Advanced SLT that comes after SLT but before Chum Kiu. The only difference is that there is some minor footwork during the fak sau section moving forwards and backwards at diagonals.
This is true or not, the extra footwork in CK is can also be found in the dummy set, so it’s nothing new. As to whether it is his modification or another line of WC, I choose not to speculate on that.
From talking to ex-students of his, the versions of the forms have even changed through out the years depending upon when you trained with him.
Again, no judgments from me, just stating the facts as I know them.
regards,
Dz
Planet Wing Chun
You asked if this is how the Hung Fa Yi does the SNT… Not really… About the only thing we do the same is the opening (HFY opening of SNT looks like the opening of Yip Man Bil Ji). There are a lot more movements in the HFY SNT.
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dzu, did I understand what you said correctly? you said that their forms were changing significantly over a four year period? Since wc is an art and I don’t think that it should be strictly dogmatic, it seems possible to change certain parts to stress different principles, but doesn’t it seem like that could really mess up some of their students? it seems like it would at least slow them in their progress. for me at least it seems like it takes a while of doing the mechanics of the form before I can really start to feel where power is coming from. if by teh time you undertood the mechanics in your brain, you had to relearn it, i feel like I could end up robbed of most of the in depth learning. I’m sure that for a master it would be fine, because they are familiar with it and the changes would make sense to them, but it sounds a little elitist to me.
Tread lightly…
This is dangerously close to politics since I am not a student of William Cheung Sifu. All I know is that some of his ex-students have mentioned to me that he has taught several versions of his forms during different times of his life. I don’t know why he decided to make the changes or over what time period these changes were made. It could be as broad as over 20 years. I don’t know if he made his students re-learn the same forms over again or not. Maybe his earlier students got one version and his more recent students got a different version. Since it’s his WC lineage and interpretation, it’s his perogative to make whatever changes he wants.
regards,
Dzu
Not Alone
Hello,
Dzu is correct that this is a touchy subject. However, just to put things into perspective I would like to point out that William Cheung is not alone in making changes to his forms.
I know for a fact that Leung Ting made changes to his Chum Kui a couple of times. How? Because I learned several versions from him. Also, Chung Kwok Chow has made changes to his forms as well.
I think that change is a natural outgrowth of ones knowledge of the art and what the form represents. I am not advocating making sweeping changes but, I may find a slight modification based on my body structure works better for me. Thus I may make some changes. For example, I have severed a tendon in my left hand. This makes it difficult for me to make and hold a fist with this hand. It also makes it difficult for me to perform the fingers downward palm strike found within the SNT, right after Bong/Taun. So, I have modified my form to do a sideward palm instead. I still strive to perform the downward palm but since the sideward works for me I do that more.
Peace,
Dave