Just wanted to let everyone know that Mr. Wu Er Li (Ernie) has graciously permitted us to post videos of his Zhai Yao sections 3 and 4 on the 8-Step site (http://www.8-step.com). This is the first time we’ve gotten permission to post these forms in public. I hope you all enjoy. As always, your comments and observations would be much appreciated.
Very nice! It is great to see you all so openly sharing Babu Tanglang! Kudos!
For whatever reason the link was dead, but the site is up. Maybe it was my server or something.
The only comment I have is I would like to see more app videos in regards to Babu. Other than that I think what you all are doing is great!
Cheers & Thanks,
Jake 
Without trying to convey disrespect..and not to open a can of worms.
If there isn’t an “ok–this is cool to broadcast” statement from Grandmaster James Sun(lineage holder of 8 step)..it might behoove the gentleman at this site to ask if it is appropriate to broadcast these forms,etc.
Respectfully,
Erasmus
Why???
Why you ask?
Because Grandmaster Shyun is the lineage holder and inheritor of the 8 step praying mantis style and as a student(of a sifu who studied under him)..it is only appropriate to ask if forms of the style are considered appropriate to broadcast to the public.
for more info..please see: www.8step.com
[QUOTE=Erasmus Mingatt;749658]Why you ask?
Because Grandmaster Shyun is the lineage holder and inheritor of the 8 step praying mantis style and as a student(of a sifu who studied under him)..it is only appropriate to ask if forms of the style are considered appropriate to broadcast to the public.
[/QUOTE]
Not to open another can of Ba Bu worms, but you may want to do some Heavy research Erasmus. The site that Lapu created under the permission of Shifu John Chang, has nothing to do with the Shyun version of 8 step. Shyun is a great MA, but not the sole inheritor of the system.
Please see www.babutanglang.com for more information that can compliment www.8-step.com. I think it may educate you, not in a bad way, but educate you none the less.
Lulu…Hey Shifu…are you training again at all anywhere? I have been mad busy.
Christian
Erasmus
Shyun is NOT the sole the lineage holder of anything! That is propaganda he has brainwashed alot of his students with! This is America bro, no one needs to ask permission to do ****!
:rolleyes: 
First,
Thank you both for sharing. Second..it was not my intention to inflame anyone..merely to comment. Third..doesn’t a style generally have an individual to whom the lineage is passed?
Were this not so..just about anyone who studied with the man can claim they are the head honcho..
Last–if I have misinterpreted and this other gentleman is affiliated with a different 8 step or some variant–that’s possible also.
I am only reporting what I have been told..nothing more.
Are you saying that any style of kung fu can have more than one lineage holder?
Case in point…look at the Eagle Claw of Lau Fat Man–(NOT the Leung Fu lineage)..Lily Lau is the inheritor of the Lau Fat Man lineage..
There is a general passing of information from one grandmaster and upon his/her request..the style is handed down and (usually) upon his/her passing..a new inheritor of the system is chosen..
According to your statements..it’s like Lau Fat Man saying "I will choose as my successor.. Lily Lau and also Ronald McDonald and also “The Man In the Moon”…
Well..I guess it is possible..but I just don’t see how
Yip Man taught alot of people and certified many sifus and masters in his wing chun lineage..but the last I looked..it was his son Yip Chun who is the lineage holder of Yips’ family tree. I don’t seem to remember Leung Ting saying that because he studied with Yip that he is the inheritor of Yips’ family tree(actually..knowing his self aggrandizing statements..that might be a possibility–LOL)
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Blessings to all
An art is not a football, it cannot be “passed” it is taught. Once it is taught it becomes that students essence. This is not some sacred chalice! It is an individual art form. Many people here in the west get all wrapped up in this “mystic asian family secrets death touch from hell qi orbs of doom” type mentality.
But sticking with your question…my teacher has three disciples. His teacher had many, many disciples. There is no ONE anything. Well I guess we are all ONE but that is waxing a different philosophy I suppose;)
Cheers
Jake
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;749740]Erasmus
Shyun is NOT the sole the lineage holder of anything! That is propaganda he has brainwashed alot of his students with! This is America bro, no one needs to ask permission to do ****!
:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
Sometimes to keep on speaking terms with your martial arts teacher you are required to abide by his rules, are you not?
Especially if you expect him to back you up on the fact that you studied with him and were ranked and all of that.
So you can say ‘This is America’, but so what? If your teacher tells you not to show a form, and you do it, he can still disown you, say you never studied, not talk to you, etc, right?
[QUOTE=neilhytholt;749775]Sometimes to keep on speaking terms with your martial arts teacher you are required to abide by his rules, are you not?
Especially if you expect him to back you up on the fact that you studied with him and were ranked and all of that.
So you can say ‘This is America’, but so what? If your teacher tells you not to show a form, and you do it, he can still disown you, say you never studied, not talk to you, etc, right?[/QUOTE]
I’d say if a teacher is that petty to “disown” a student because he/she showed someone a form then they are quite shallow.
I think people get too wrapped up in the great “secrecy” of forms. Forms should not be a secret. Besides, just because you see a form does not mean you know what the moves are used for, or how to properly execute them.
any “master” who disowns a student because of something so petty as showing a form shouldnt be called a “master” to begin with, they are more like a “thug.”
[QUOTE=zhangxihuan;749783]I’d say if a teacher is that petty to “disown” a student because he/she showed someone a form then they are quite shallow.
I think people get too wrapped up in the great “secrecy” of forms. Forms should not be a secret. Besides, just because you see a form does not mean you know what the moves are used for, or how to properly execute them.
any “master” who disowns a student because of something so petty as showing a form shouldnt be called a “master” to begin with, they are more like a “thug.”[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I wouldn’t use such a nice term as “thug”, but that’s the way some teachers are. It’s called disciple for a reason. Master for a reason. Because you’re supposed to do what they say.
Most martial arts teachers don’t do this anymore, but some do.
Anyway, if you want to find out what truly lowlife scum some people are, I recommend signing up with a teacher who doesn’t want his forms broadcast around and then you will find out what sort of character assassination, insults, and borderline threats some people will resort to in an attempt to get them for free.
Hi Chas,
Thank you, Chang Shifu, and Mr. Wu Er Li for sharing. Your efforts to preserve and promote Babu TLQ will continue to benefit the 8-Step family.
M.Dasargo
No one owns me brother! Thats a simple fact.
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;749788]No one owns me brother! Thats a simple fact. [/QUOTE]
Many people own you.
Your family probably requires you come visit and attend certain social events. Your employer likely requires you come to work and do certain tasks, or they will not pay you. The government requires you to follow the laws, pay your taxes, or they will put you into jail.
Even your stuff owns you. Your house probably requires certain maintenance. Your stuff requires storage and moving to different locations when you move, organizing, etc. Your dishes probably require cleaning. Your trash probably requires taking out.
If you fail to do any of these tasks, it will be a problem. So are you really free? You are not free.
So when a martial arts teacher doesn’t want the forms taught out, is it really any different?
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;749788]No one owns me brother! Thats a simple fact. [/QUOTE]
You realize it’s a little ironic considering before you were arguing for the validity of disciples and ‘closed door’. If you don’t have to think about what your instructor wants or ask permission before teaching or teaching a form, then you aren’t really a disciple or a ‘closed door’ student. (Or you are a soon to be kicked out one).
[QUOTE=zhangxihuan;749783]I’d say if a teacher is that petty to “disown” a student because he/she showed someone a form then they are quite shallow.
I think people get too wrapped up in the great “secrecy” of forms. Forms should not be a secret. Besides, just because you see a form does not mean you know what the moves are used for, or how to properly execute them.
any “master” who disowns a student because of something so petty as showing a form shouldnt be called a “master” to begin with, they are more like a “thug.”[/QUOTE]
It’s not really a matter of shallow or something. It’s a matter of control and making $$$ off of students.
The only part of it that at all seems valid is that a lot of people seem to teach forms when they’re not really ready to teach.
Apparently with time you get no more intelligent. My relationship with my teachers is my business and theirs. I do not need to ask permission to do ****. I have their blessings to teach what I have been taught. ASking permission has nothing to do with discipleship.
I really wish Gene would start considering banning idiots on this board. Tedious anymore.
Jake
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;749821]Apparently with time you get no more intelligent. My relationship with my teachers is my business and theirs. I do not need to ask permission to do ****. I have their blessings to teach what I have been taught. ASking permission has nothing to do with discipleship.
I really wish Gene would start considering banning idiots on this board. Tedious anymore.
Jake [/QUOTE]
You just don’t like anybody who doesn’t agree with you or go along with your program. LOL
Anyways, I don’t know why you are calling me an idiot. It doesn’t make you look any better.
There used to be a traditional role of master and disciple in martial arts, wasn’t there? Perhaps your teacher doesn’t follow it, but that doesn’t mean that other martial arts teachers and their students don’t.
Heck, even in karate you aren’t supposed to teach until you’re black belt. That’s why in a lot of schools they call black belts ‘sensei’.
[QUOTE=Three Harmonies;749821]Apparently with time you get no more intelligent. My relationship with my teachers is my business and theirs. I do not need to ask permission to do ****. I have their blessings to teach what I have been taught. ASking permission has nothing to do with discipleship.
I really wish Gene would start considering banning idiots on this board. Tedious anymore.
Jake [/QUOTE]
You know, I don’t think it’s YOU who gets it. People on this board who are not teaching or writing articles are the CUSTOMERS, are they not?
You might want to start being a little nicer to the customers instead of calling them idiots.