I found this video interesting. I have some comments but I’ll save it until some of you weight in.
“The truth behind martial arts franchise schools exposed”
franchise schools… LOL… i can think of one from new york… these people view martial arts as a business and that’s all fine and dandy, but it doesn’t make them a good martial artist because they have a few schools - it makes them a good business person. you should see what some passes as an online video instruction… there’s this one numbnut who plays with a sledgehammer, but his strength is infantile. hehehe…
Watching his other videos, it looks like this guy in general has a problem with turning martial arts into a commercial business, which is an old argument.
If Doc Fai Wong didn’t have a franchise, I’m guessing this dude would not have the CLF knowledge he does now (he didn’t do the best job concealing where he had his franchise involvement).
interesting stuff.. a lot of this applies to sales. rehearsed dialogue, knowing how to counter typical questions. the question then comes, how does a school grow its business without similar tactics? usually a school grows and dies when the teacher dies.
thanx for video its very cool
i think traditional kuing fu should not have franchise
Both videos amounted to whining sessions because the idea of having a commerce aspect to martial arts.
There were a lot of misconceptions expressed and heaping helpings of projections of that individuals ideas about how things “should” be.
I found the videos to be fairly egotistical in scope and more than a bit whiny.
It’s a tired old argument and there is nothing new to say about it apparently.
I personally so not support those views.
people will do as they will and it is their prerogative to do so just as it may be your
prerogative to not bother with them. 
chinese jesus hong xiou quan would not have approved of franchises. if he was alive he would crush them without mercy then take all their womans as his concubine
personally i think theres nothing wrong with a kung fu franchise, but only if u earned it.
i think gracies definitely deserve franchise. great master tu jing shen deserves a franchise because he pulled a airplane with his peenis. what did doc fei wong and sin the ever do? i dont know.
[QUOTE=bawang;1003635]. what did doc fei wong and sin the ever do? i dont know.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Doc Fai-Wong has been a huge driving force in promoting Traditional Chinese Martial Arts for decades. I have followed his articles and books ever since 1973 Inside Kung-Fu first featured him. His articles were extremely informative, and he brought ideas and concepts to the general non-Chinese public from behind the “Bamboo Curtain.” His book on CLF is still one of the best books in English on Southern Gung-Fu. In it, he outlines strikes, usage as well as two beginner forms, Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Choy in explicit detail.
His article on Dit Da Jow was possibly the first to actually share full formulas and instructions of making it.
He was also the first to have instructional videos on CLF, broken down in regular speed, slow motion, different angles as well as applications.
oh, and No, I am not, nor have ever been connected with his organization. I simply have been involved in MA for over 35 yrs, and appreciate his contributions.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1003632]Both videos amounted to whining sessions because the idea of having a commerce aspect to martial arts.
There were a lot of misconceptions expressed and heaping helpings of projections of that individuals ideas about how things “should” be.
I found the videos to be fairly egotistical in scope and more than a bit whiny.
It’s a tired old argument and there is nothing new to say about it apparently.
I personally so not support those views.
people will do as they will and it is their prerogative to do so just as it may be your
prerogative to not bother with them. :-)[/QUOTE]
well said. sounds like a whiney, spoiled child.
Yeah, big suprise! The guy who can’t afford his own school and teaches in the park hates people that have nice schools with mats to protect their students.
I think the problem is NOT with the premise of “franchise” but the execution.
GM Park Jong Soo here in Toronto, has TKD franchises and there are some very good ones and some not so good.
It depends on the teacher and sometimes Master Park was to “eager” to allow one of his guys to open a school.
Quality control is the key, especially when you are putting your name to a product.
Someone that maintains a strict quality program can have successful franchises and they can put out a quality product.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003657]Actually, Doc Fai-Wong has been a huge driving force in promoting Traditional Chinese Martial Arts for decades. I have followed his articles and books ever since 1973 Inside Kung-Fu first featured him. His articles were extremely informative, and he brought ideas and concepts to the general non-Chinese public from behind the “Bamboo Curtain.” His book on CLF is still one of the best books in English on Southern Gung-Fu. In it, he outlines strikes, usage as well as two beginner forms, Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Choy in explicit detail.
His article on Dit Da Jow was possibly the first to actually share full formulas and instructions of making it.
He was also the first to have instructional videos on CLF, broken down in regular speed, slow motion, different angles as well as applications.
oh, and No, I am not, nor have ever been connected with his organization. I simply have been involved in MA for over 35 yrs, and appreciate his contributions.[/QUOTE]
i think although he is nice for promoting kung fu , gracies also promoted their martial arts but differently
i think the latino guy in the youtube has a point about franchising pushing out competitors. theres no kung fu diversity in america
[QUOTE=bawang;1003668]i think although he is nice for promoting kung fu , gracies also promoted their martial arts but differently[/QUOTE]
Sure. DFW could have set up televised full-contact Sanshou matches pitting point- fighters against seasoned fighters throwing sow choy and cup choy and taken their heads off, thus proving the superiority of CLF, and created a venue and ruleset for this to grow.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003675]Sure. DFW could have set up televised full-contact Sanshou matches pitting point- fighters against seasoned fighters throwing sow choy and cup choy and taken their heads off, thus proving the superiority of CLF, and created a venue and ruleset for this to grow.[/QUOTE]
**** disturber alert !!
BTW-Gracies have created a BJJ “Lite,” or “EZ BJJ” mini course, complete with certification, belts, marketing strategies, etc directed at commercial school owners to place in their schools.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003675]Sure. DFW could have set up televised full-contact Sanshou matches pitting point- fighters against seasoned fighters throwing sow choy and cup choy and taken their heads off, thus proving the superiority of CLF, and created a venue and ruleset for this to grow.[/QUOTE]
wish I’d thought of that sooner..we could all be wearing sow choy t-shirts by now…
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003677]BTW-Gracies have created a BJJ “Lite,” or “EZ BJJ” mini course, complete with certification, belts, marketing strategies, etc directed at commercial school owners to place in their schools.[/QUOTE]
Smart guys.
I think his stance takes away the personal responsibility of the potential student when they are looking to start martial arts. They make the choice, sign the contract or not.
I agree that aspects of the martial arts are overly commercial. On the other hand I’ve always wondered why people think it’s wrong to make money from martial arts. I’ve heard alot of southern style practitoners praised for not charging much to their students because they make their money from their dit da clinic. charging money for martial arts lessons=bad, doctor charging sick people money= good:confused:
A talented, driven student negotiates his own price, imo. His selection of the teacher is a benefit and honor to the teacher, and a good teacher recognizes this.
The rest should not be tricked into paying more for what they aren’t ever going to accomplish.
A teacher who overcharges the first is an idiot. One who oversharges the rest is a cad.
Aside from that, I have no problem with someone earning their living.
martial arts should be taught free of charge… not meaning you have to teach eveyone, but those who are mean’t to learn will seek out a master, that is why it is said that when the student is ready, the master will appear… this is a profound concept that only a select few on the boards can relate to.