[QUOTE=uki;1003825]martial arts should be taught free of charge… not meaning you have to teach eveyone, but those who are mean’t to learn will seek out a master, that is why it is said that when the student is ready, the master will appear… this is a profound concept that only a select few on the boards can relate to. :)[/QUOTE]
Then who would pay the rent, utilities, and keep the teacher and his family fed? Nothing is free.
[QUOTE=Drake;1003827]Nothing is free.[/QUOTE]life is free.
[QUOTE=uki;1003829]life is free.[/QUOTE]
Heh… you actually believe that. Life is short, usually abruptly ended, and mostly spent under the control of something, be it man-made or natural.
[QUOTE=Drake;1003832]Heh… you actually believe that. Life is short, usually abruptly ended, and mostly spent under the control of something, be it man-made or natural.[/QUOTE]might aswell embrace the mindset of true freedom then, eh?? 
Might as well tell me who will pay for the teacher’s living expenses. Especially if they have a family. I’d also like to see how you’d get people to teach if there was no way of supporting themselves with it.
They don’t need nice cars and big houses, but they certainly expect some sort of compensation for their expertise and hard work. Doing it for free wouldn’t even begin to work.
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They don’t need nice cars and big houses, but they certainly expect some sort of compensation for their expertise and hard work. Doing it for free wouldn’t even begin to work.[/QUOTE]well for starters… i’m a stone mason - works just fine for me…
I don’t know who you train from, but this is a full time job, usually with them working well over what most people work. It’s probably closer to my 60+ hour work week.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003657]Actually, Doc Fai-Wong has been a huge driving force in promoting Traditional Chinese Martial Arts for decades. I have followed his articles and books ever since 1973 Inside Kung-Fu first featured him. His articles were extremely informative, and he brought ideas and concepts to the general non-Chinese public from behind the “Bamboo Curtain.” His book on CLF is still one of the best books in English on Southern Gung-Fu. In it, he outlines strikes, usage as well as two beginner forms, Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Choy in explicit detail.
His article on Dit Da Jow was possibly the first to actually share full formulas and instructions of making it.
He was also the first to have instructional videos on CLF, broken down in regular speed, slow motion, different angles as well as applications.
oh, and No, I am not, nor have ever been connected with his organization. I simply have been involved in MA for over 35 yrs, and appreciate his contributions.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but until he moves large objects through will, strength and testicular tenacity then he hasn’t accomplished anything…
[QUOTE=uki;1003825]martial arts should be taught free of charge… not meaning you have to teach eveyone, but those who are mean’t to learn will seek out a master, that is why it is said that when the student is ready, the master will appear… this is a profound concept that only a select few on the boards can relate to. :)[/QUOTE]
what, appear on your doorstep with his bags, ready to move in?
You have a house made of rocks. Unless he’s Grandmaster Flintstone, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
[QUOTE=bawang;1003635]chinese jesus hong xiou quan would not have approved of franchises. if he was alive he would crush them without mercy then take all their womans as his concubine
personally i think theres nothing wrong with a kung fu franchise, but only if u earned it.
i think gracies definitely deserve franchise. great master tu jing shen deserves a franchise because he pulled a airplane with his peenis. what did doc fei wong and sin the ever do? i dont know.[/QUOTE]
GM DFW has been an awesome teacher. If he’s in it for the money, he hasn’t been collecting much from me. GM DFW also helped rebuild and restore a number of CLF sites, and has been promoting the art globally for decades. I admire him as a martial artist and a genuinely good person.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;1003657]Actually, Doc Fai-Wong has been a huge driving force in promoting Traditional Chinese Martial Arts for decades. I have followed his articles and books ever since 1973 Inside Kung-Fu first featured him. His articles were extremely informative, and he brought ideas and concepts to the general non-Chinese public from behind the “Bamboo Curtain.” His book on CLF is still one of the best books in English on Southern Gung-Fu. In it, he outlines strikes, usage as well as two beginner forms, Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Choy in explicit detail.
His article on Dit Da Jow was possibly the first to actually share full formulas and instructions of making it.
He was also the first to have instructional videos on CLF, broken down in regular speed, slow motion, different angles as well as applications.
oh, and No, I am not, nor have ever been connected with his organization. I simply have been involved in MA for over 35 yrs, and appreciate his contributions.[/QUOTE]
You should see his distance learning program. Awesome.
Many teachers choose NOT to charge for their instruction, typcially because they have full time jobs and DON’T want to make MA their career.
However, MANY teachers do have MA as their careers and this is nothing new.
It was the case in times past in all parts of the world.
There is no reason for it to be any different now.
[QUOTE=uki;1003825]martial arts should be taught free of charge… not meaning you have to teach eveyone, but those who are mean’t to learn will seek out a master, that is why it is said that when the student is ready, the master will appear… this is a profound concept that only a select few on the boards can relate to. :)[/QUOTE]
why? why do you think this? This is an empty platitude that someone spouted off once.
No one should expect anyone else to give them their time, their effort and their knowledge for nothing. Do you do that?
If my job skill set is martial arts, there is no way I am working for free for anyone.
And just because you start looking to learn doesn’t mean you are ready to learn, it just means you are looking.
You’re ready to learn when you get back up, without anger, and continue to work on not being knocked down. 
“when the student is ready, the master will appear…”
IMHO… the “master” is within. Teachers can only give so much. At a certain point of your study, there’s only one person you can rely on. Then the rest is easy.
Teachers give you a core, a base from which to work from, the rest is up to you.
Its the way it has always been.
Too true. A lot of guys don’t seem to realize that. They seem to waiting for the teacher to impart some special teaching…
I haven’t seen the videos but there is a distinction to be made here.
That of running your own school, and that of Franchising a school.
You can support yourself just running your own school.
When you start investing in multiple schools you run the risk of the business aspect eclipsing the school aspect. Though having multiple schools is not necessarily bad.
ATA is what I think of when I think of Franchises.
I think the problem people have with franchising is the qualities they associate with it like;
It’s generic.
The lack of quality control.
The Long term expensive contracts. No one should have to sign a 3 year contract on their first day.
Expensive testing fees. There is a hundred and one belts so that they can charge you testing fees every month
Marked up equipment costs.
The marketing is kind of dishonest.
They capitalize on peoples ignorance.
They use stock photos of models who aren’t students and not of the school.
They avoid giving out any real information about the school or the style taught.
If I can’t tell what style you teach by you webpage, I have a problem with that.
I dont have a problem with instructors picking up BJJ, after school programs, or krav maga certificates to boost consumer appeal. I do have a problem with kung fu schools advertising as karate/kickboxing/self-defense schools.
http://www.austinfitnessmartialarts.com/ or http://www.ilovekickboxingaustin.com/
This is a good kung fu school, but you could never tell that from the website. It’s not a franchise school, but is using one those consulting services that model themselves on “successful” franchises. I think the second website is from the consulting service of someone on this board who is a certain deservedly respected Lama Pai Sifu. Can’t say I agree with his website design, or marketing campaign, though. If I found either of these websites when I was looking for kung fu schools I would have never gone to this school. Maybe it’s just my prejudice here, is there anyone here who would honestly give this school a second look after seeing those websites?
1 Thing about paying for training I think most westerners have a misconception about is that they think in the “old days” sifu’s taught for free. When actually in the old days students were not only required to support the sifu with money but also was supposed to perform any kind of labor the sifu required, and not on a voluntary basis.
@ Sanhechuan- thats what the video is about to some extent
in the past some people taught for free, some people taught to make a living, i think both is ok. but they all had to fight a lot of people to get famous. i think we shud do that today too
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@ Sanhechuan- thats what the video is about to some extent[/QUOTE]
Having watched the video now, I’d say the dude has a beef with a local chain school doing dirty business. It got a little dramatic and over the top, trying to emulate pop conspiracy videos. Dude definitely had a chip on his shoulder, but who doesn’t after realizing they’ve been taken in by a crap school, weather it was Shaolin-do, ATA, Chung Moo Doe, or some other Cult or Mcdojo.
If you charge alot of money you better provide quaility instruction to back it up, otherwise people have a right to complain.