This video shows some controlled sparring drills of the Pre-Heaven Power Method () demonstrated by the chief instructor, Master Wei-Chung Lin (), of the American YiZungYue Internal Martial Arts Association (AYZYIM). AYZYIM is a new organization to promote the Pre-Heaven Power Method to the world’s martial arts community. The Pre-Heaven Power Method, developed by Grandmaster Pan Yue (), is a systematic, revolutionary, and comprehensive approach to acquiring internal power. The First International Workshop on the Pre-Heaven Power Method will be held on October 23-24 in Skokie, Illinois, U.S.A. Please check the site http://www.americanyzy.com/ for more details about the workshop and AYZYIM.
not really a sparring vid. more like showing off stuff in a one step manner. Now take those moves and put them on a person doing full speed and unpredicted movements, now that’s impressive.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1031801]not really a sparring vid. more like showing off stuff in a one step manner. Now take those moves and put them on a person doing full speed and unpredicted movements, now that’s impressive.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you. It is more a demonstration of fajin drills. However, to evaluate this video, one probably should ask the following question instead: under the same circumstances, can I perform the fajin moves with the sound structures and power as those shown in the video?
[QUOTE=suddenflower;1031814]I agree with you. It is more a demonstration of fajin drills. However, to evaluate this video, one probably should ask the following question instead: under the same circumstances, can I perform the fajin moves with the sound structures and power as those shown in the video?[/QUOTE]
actually one should ask why on earth would i want to do that
secondly one should probably wonder if thats what qualifies as sparring within that organisation why on earth would i join it
and thirdly would should ask why do people put up demos like this and expect to be taken seriously? Its not sparring, its not anything like fighting call it what it is, power testing with complient students
[QUOTE=Frost;1031829]actually one should ask why on earth would i want to do that
secondly one should probably wonder if thats what qualifies as sparring within that organisation why on earth would i join it
and thirdly would should ask why do people put up demos like this and expect to be taken seriously? Its not sparring, its not anything like fighting call it what it is, power testing with complient students[/QUOTE]
I am sorry if we confused you by not choosing the right words in the title according to your definition. We did try to indicate that this is not the final training by using the word “controlled”. One major objective of the exercise is to make sure one possesses sound structures after the less dynamic trainings in the previous stages and before moving on to the next level of training.
[QUOTE=bawang;1031830]fake fajin. but im happy for fellow chinese making good money in america. i hope he can buy a big house[/QUOTE]
Fajin in an exercise is different from “fake fajin”. We never indicate in the description that this video shows a real fight and no one is faking anything here. If you think the exercises are useless or the scenarios are unrealistic, it is a different issue.
I think a good idea would be a demo where both people are similar skill level. I think the student is overresponding to the technique, which makes for a dynamic appearing demo, but makes it harder to make the drills as functional as possible for training. He moves more than he should because of his own response.
At :57 is a good example of this. That strike wouldn’t be going for a push normally, but would be seeking to set in the opponent. Add to that the student’s inability to redirect, and you have a technique that needs to be worked against an experienced person to be seen well for what it is.
It is very rare that one simply wants to push the opponent backward on some of those techniques, but it may be the case that you aren’t wishing to muddy things by including tripping footwork and such that normally go with those.
However, I feel that the drills could benefit from a partner who is better informed on what to do in case of these pushes other than feed them with lack of footwork response. Most decent opponents will not fall from being pushed solely backwards, though if there is good reason to push them backwards(flaming pit of spikes back there or something), that is another thing.
Just my thoughts. I hope you take my feedback for the constructive criticism that it is meant to be.
And certainly, the term sparring suggests that neither party knows for certain what will happen. Perhaps if you had drills that had one response for a lead, another for a cross, and the person throwing the attacks chose which and the other didn’t know, this could be a sparring drill. I’d recommend changing the title otherwise. These are basically your fajin applications. Sparring drills for these would be live, and I would be interested in seeing further developments as these drills progress. Good luck.
Just to clarify, I am mostly talking about your drills, not the techniques themselves, except where I feel the drills are not showing the techniques as well as they could.
After watching it again, I really think one major thing that would help make these drills more useful for what you are wanting is putting gloves on the attacker. Thus, his strikes will more likely be on target and effective, so that you can showcase these moves against effective technique.
Again, just my thoughts. Anything that can improve our gongfu, right?
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1031887]Just to clarify, I am mostly talking about your drills, not the techniques themselves, except where I feel the drills are not showing the techniques as well as they could.
After watching it again, I really think one major thing that would help make these drills more useful for what you are wanting is putting gloves on the attacker. Thus, his strikes will more likely be on target and effective, so that you can showcase these moves against effective technique.
Again, just my thoughts. Anything that can improve our gongfu, right?[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your valuable suggestions. First of all, I agree to your criticism on the title. Using the word “sparring” may be misleading and we will figure out a better name for it after discussion. Fortunately, except the one slide in the video content, the title and description can be modified easily for a YouTube video.
Every fajin in the end of a set of movements can be either a short, impulsive striking, or a longer, more penetrating pushing. Since the result of a long jin is more visible and perhaps more entertaining, all the demonstrations employ long jin except two.
Using gloves definitely allows the attacker to strike more realistically. However, since we are basically a Baguazhang-based school, using gloves would be a last resort.
[QUOTE=suddenflower;1031900]Thank you for your valuable suggestions.[/quote]
No problem!
First of all, I agree to your criticism on the title. Using the word “sparring” may be misleading and we will figure out a better name for it after discussion. Fortunately, except the one slide in the video content, the title and description can be modified easily for a YouTube video.
Glad to help.
Every fajin in the end of a set of movements can be either a short, impulsive striking, or a longer, more penetrating pushing. Since the result of a long jin is more visible and perhaps more entertaining, all the demonstrations employ long jin except two.
I understand.
Using gloves definitely allows the attacker to strike more realistically. However, since we are basically a Baguazhang-based school, using gloves would be a last resort.
If I might clarify: I am not suggesting using gloves in all striking, my style also utilizes chops and palms, so I understand the issues with gloves. However, in these demos, the attacker is using fisted strikes, and holding back a bit, which affects the demo, and makes it look less realistic. Gloves can help.
Gloves are just like any training tool. You don’t always train with a dummy, or plum flower posts, or a heavy bag, or sand bags, they each are merely tools to work specific things, but they work those things well. Gloves are very useful for the sake of drills involving punching, that’s all, but they are quite useful in that context, and their use would inspire the student defending on this drill to be more mindful of the strike coming in in many cases, and provide a safe way to ensure that students doing such drills are still punching on target effectively. This has been my experience.
I also want to say I like that you focus on usage in your fajin training, it’s something that I see some fail to attempt. While there are people out there doing their fajin training with usage, a lot seem to only do their fajin in the forms, and abandon it in fighting because they don’t use it even at the application level, much less sparring.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1031882]And certainly, the term sparring suggests that neither party knows for certain what will happen. Perhaps if you had drills that had one response for a lead, another for a cross, and the person throwing the attacks chose which and the other didn’t know, this could be a sparring drill. I’d recommend changing the title otherwise. These are basically your fajin applications. Sparring drills for these would be live, and I would be interested in seeing further developments as these drills progress. Good luck.[/QUOTE]
We have changed the title of the video to “Basic Controlled Sparring Fajin Demo by the Chief Instructor of AYZYIM”. We still keep the word “sparring” here following the convention of Karate. The karate community calls this kind of exercises “one step sparring”, which is their most basic sparring exercise. Again, I’d like to thank you for your suggestion. We like the new title better.
[QUOTE=KC Elbows;1031901]If I might clarify: I am not suggesting using gloves in all striking, my style also utilizes chops and palms, so I understand the issues with gloves. However, in these demos, the attacker is using fisted strikes, and holding back a bit, which affects the demo, and makes it look less realistic. Gloves can help.
Gloves are just like any training tool. You don’t always train with a dummy, or plum flower posts, or a heavy bag, or sand bags, they each are merely tools to work specific things, but they work those things well. Gloves are very useful for the sake of drills involving punching, that’s all, but they are quite useful in that context, and their use would inspire the student defending on this drill to be more mindful of the strike coming in in many cases, and provide a safe way to ensure that students doing such drills are still punching on target effectively. This has been my experience.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you on the benefits of using gloves in training. We will try this in classes.
