Those of you that practice Xing Yi, have you guys ever used Xing Yi in a real fight? and if so, does it work well? I’m just curious, as I’ve only recently started to practice/learn Xing Yi
I have a friend who took a guy out by using tsuan chuan reinforced knuckle punches to the solar plexus.
Hsing-I
Where are you studying? Hsing-i is, in my opinion, one of the most effective styles of hand to hand combat in existence. Like tai chi, it is an internal art and does not rely on external methods to generate force and power. Unfortunately like tai chi or “Grand Ultimate Fist” it also requires “Grand Ultimate Practice”. If you are looking for a fast, effective, and easily learned method for kicking butt on a Saturday night at the pool hall then look elswhere. Hsing-I takes a great deal of effort to be able to effectively put into practice. It is regarded a “high-level” kung fu and requires a high level of effort(more than what your average enthusiast is usually willing to give) from the practitioner. Here is why I think Hsing-I is so effective:
- All strikes can be blocks and vice versa
- Strength training is developed by relaxation techniques to the point where all strikes become knockout blows.
- Five element fighting theory provides a set pattern of response fighting that becomes second nature to the practioner.
- Practioners eventually develop their own styles with their own moves.
Bottom line - if a person wants to truly become a master at something and doesnt mind spending half a lifetime working toward that goal then I would check out Hsing-I. The question should be Do I want to be a tough fighter or the best at something? Many MMA types often diss the internal arts as being inneffective and not practical. Well they are effective in combat but truly they are not practical for most people. If you spend 6 months in a Brazilian JuJitsu school or a Mauy Thai School then you will probaly learn more immediately effective “street ready techniques” and if that is your goal then thats what you should do.
What is xing yi?..
Xingyi
Form Mind Boxing. Just type in Xing yi, Xing-I, or Hsing-I in your search engine and you’ll find lots of sites that will give you lots of info.
~ In my own humble experiance, Hsing I is about the most effective overall art a person can study. It is one of my two primary arts, the other being PaKua.
~ All other things being equal, a 1, 3, and 5 year student of Hsing I, who studies diligently under the guidance of a competant instuctor should be able to beat a student of most any other art who studies the same amount of time with the same amount of diligence.
~ After five years, a good BaGua guy should have the upper hand. But there are very few good BaGua sources available.
Peace,
Sin Loi
Yi Beng, Kan Xue
Hmmm.
I would love to put myself or my students up against you and your students, Sin Loi. Friendly challenge match, nobody gets hurt, everybody goes out afterwards.
It would be really neat to put your statements about baguazhang and xingyiquan to the test.
“Friendly challenge match, nobody gets hurt”
- That sounds sane, what kinda challenge match where you thinking Huang? Jedi power mind battles maybe?
We ever going to see your reply on the Tit Sing\ Sum Chien thread Huang or have your just decided to hide again?
jon, we’ve just GOT to meet one day.
I think it would be a great visit.
We’ll probably end up as friends afterwards.
HuangKaiVun
“jon, we’ve just GOT to meet one day.
I think it would be a great visit.
We’ll probably end up as friends afterwards.”
- Amen to that:D
I’ve used my Hsing-I a number of times. It works very well. In fact sometimes it works so well you don’t have to fight.
A few years back I had a guy road raging at me. This went on for a couple of miles until he started to act like he was going to run his car into mine.
I pulled into a gas station and got out of my car and waited. He pulled in and stopped about 20 ft away from me and he got out of the car. He was about 6’3" and I’m about 5’6’.
We looked at each other and I thought to myself that the fight is on, gave him the hard look I get when the going is tough and I stated to walk toward him.
This big guy went white in the face and I could see and feel his strength being drained away to nothing. As I took another step towards him he huridly got back into his car and drove away.
With Hsing-I you can ‘win’ fights with your eyes and attitude. Not just your fists.
My Sifu related to me an old Chinese saying comparing Xingyi and Tai Chi. It went something like:
“With three years of Xingyi, you have enough power to kill a man. With three years of Tai Chi, you don’t have enough power to get out the door.”
It doesn’t translate perfectly, I bet, but it seems to be a good observation of the (more) immediate applicability of Xingyi versus Tai Chi…
Though Tai Chi does have a lot of cool chin na in it 
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Hsing I has a ton of grappling in it too - if it’s taught and trained PROPERLY.
With Hsing-I you can ‘win’ fights with your eyes and attitude. Not just your fists.
If an art does’nt have a certain attitude, then it’s incomplete..;)
btw, I’m a beginner XY student myself.
Can someone explain this time concept to me?
From what a lot of people say, with MT or boxing, I can learn to defend myself pretty well in the street.
But if I learn taiji or hsing i for 10 years, because they are more refined, I can…learn to defend myself pretty well in the street.
It’s like this, bob10:
If you train Taijiquan the way it USED to be trained, with regular sparring and pai da and all that hard fighting, you can learn to use the moves almost instantly. It takes a few months of regular training for people to GET IT in my school (or so real fights involving my students have shown).
The same goes for Hsing Yi. People get so wrapped up in doing forms nowadays that they neglect to spar it out the way a real fight unfolds - with grappling and all that heavy stuff.
For example, I teach “Form the Ball” from Taijiquan as a sleeper hold. I’ll have students apply the move on each other, work the entry, and work the counters as well (“Form the Ball” can counter itself).
The thing about COMBAT kung fu that makes it totally different from boxing and Muay Thai is that it
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train to fight multiple opponents
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apply grappling moves and counter them
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focus on transitional moves at least as much as the finishing moves themselves
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deal with weapons - fighting with and against them.
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study the healing aspects of combat, as even a victor in combat often will have a broken body afterwards.
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prepare for real life scenarios, e.g. getting attacked in the elevator or in the bathroom or in bed.
Can someone explain this time concept to me?
From what a lot of people say, with MT or boxing, I can learn to defend myself pretty well in the street.
But if I learn taiji or hsing i for 10 years, because they are more refined, I can…learn to defend myself pretty well in the street.
The problem with learning an internal art is the fact that you might have to use your self-defence skills at some point before those 10 years have passed..:rolleyes:
The IMA school would also have to be very, very good.
I can only say I’ve seen very few of any of those things in the CIMA I studied.
cheers
What do you mean?
Sorry, that was a response to HKV’s post