ok im going out to open the door for a minute, ahh its open. Now the highest level of Praying mantis can and does exist separate of all blocking. My students and i actually find it refreshing to spar boxers. our punches are much more direct and straight for more than one reason (yes we have converted boxers among us).
Not to say that many boxers lack skill there are plenty of good ones. however, they lack stability on their feet to withstand barrage and they definetly cannot withstand throws from their existing foot platform.
You should never watch limbs ever you should look right at their shoulders keeping an open field of vision, then dont block move the head place our strikes in the center at a high rate of speed, if the center door is closed step 45 degrees to your comfort side moving in with the same high speed straight up the middlewith direct straight shots always keeping feet planted shifting the entire body not leaning forward or back.
anyway if you block you waste a move. Strike instead or better yet strike inside the strike deflecting with the striking limb.
What type of blocking are you using … side to side, wax on wax off type? This could get you lit up because it requires timing and is easy to fake.
Try holding your gloves together, at about chin level, and hiding behind it as a shield. If someone jabs, charge in and jam it, follow it back.
Of course they have another hand or can circle the jab around. You keep thise gloves together in front of your face! Use your elbows to block rounded strikes. Hide behind your forearms parrellel to each other || or even better yet, cross them X … one supporting the other.
Jam them, then, if you have Kung Fu training, beat them to the punch by not having to pull back to load your shot. SHoot it from where it is.
Don’t chase hands, chase elbow (SHORT CUT of CMA). If you have controlled one of your opponent’s elbow then you have controlled both of his arms.
Consider your arms as the limbs of the Octopus. During arm touching, you wrap your arm around his and pull your prey toward you and then consume him. The momemt that you have controlled your opponent’s leading arm along with his head, the fight is over - that’s the weak point of all boxers. Most boxers has no defense against throwing if they don’t cross train.
youknowwho, you kind of proved my point there, what i meant by chasing arms is what you said , ie chase elbows or shoulders or whatever, whilst a boxer is constantly going for your head, you re taking time to mess about with his arms , so its like your playing follow the leader.
Not you specifically by you i mean a cma practitioner.
BJJ guys shoot to your leg without touching your arm.
Boxers hit to your head without touching your arm.
Muah Thai guys kick to your head without touching your arm.
CMA guys touch your arm, wrap it, and then take you down.
That’s the main style difference.
Foreign MA is like the sword fight, you hope your sword is faster than mine. You may chop my head off but at the same time I may chop your leg off.
CMA is like two swords touching on each other. You only attack when you feel that your opponent’s sword is no threaten to you. You press his sword under yours. You slide your sword along his sword and then cut him.
If you know exactly where your opponent’s legs and arms are then it’s safe to move in. Otherwise, you may take unnecessary risk.
I am not saying I have an invulnerable belly. However my ability to soak up body shots has been commented on by several people in the past. If you ever want to test it out for yourself GDA I make no secret where I live and I love visitors so come on by some time.
If you pay for the plane ticket I’ll pay for the beers.
where do you live? if its nice and your gonna pay for me to come kick you in the stomach im fu ckin in. sh it i wish more people would pay for me to kick them in the stomach. that would completely ****in rule. i like amber bock.
you dont get to hit back though. the whole hitting thing is one sided. this side. if you try to hit me back im going to run like hell and then post on the forums that i completely whooped your ass. if you have video to prove otherwise ill still deny it.
i’m no hard ass … if you wanted take me down i bet you could make it happen. but i wouldnt just fall over kicking you. that’s not how i roll.
[edit] god ****it … now i see you said i had to pay my way. **** that … im not going to buy a plane ticket to go kick some guy in teh stomach who will probably just whoop my ass afterwards. ill just go kick one of my co workes in the stomach instead. when they look up at me and ask why ill tell them its your fault and spit on them.
bad timing by lighter guys might be a problem, but id bet 50 bucks that 9 out of 10 people who fall over kicking anything are up on their toes (or close to it).
if you dont put yourself up on a poll or try to plant a kick on a guy 3 times your size who’s barreling in on you there’s a real good chance you wont fall over.
Anyways for the record I live at the following location:
First Appartment block on the right, Eastern most door, second floor, appartment on the left, West campus, Luliang Higher College, Lishi, Shanxi, PRC. If anyone wants to visit me than they can PM and I will give them EMail or Telephone contact information.
The problem is, how do you do this to someone that’s not CMA, and has no intention of letting you touch their arm? The boxer that keeps his hands close in, throws them out with punches and quickly retracts them? The wrestler that takes an outside shot? The Muay Thai guy who kicks to your head from too far away for you to reach his arm?
funny thing i’ve found out fighting boxers, if you kick them in the junk they
are never ready to defend it. I got a golden glove contender 5 times in a row
below the belt. boxing is good but not against a flury of well placed kicks.
At what point do you stop using complaince drills to learn those techs?
there are much simpler ways of dealing with a boxer. And I have to agree with rays albeit short assessment of how.
cover, jam. counter. I personally wouldn’t be able to find the time to do the wraps and trips and throws. Look how long that guy’s gotta leave his arm hanging in the air to pull that off. adaptable or not, I am not certain that would work in live combatives.
mk, watch the vids john put up. in each one, the opponent is leaving his arm hanging for the wrap for an inordinately long time.
a boxers punch comes back faster than it goes out. Like a good kungfu punch will do as well.
I disagree that one can grab at a jab easily, or even a cross.
a hook, maybe in one smooth motion and using a destruction to dissolve the hook while you jam.
uppercut, not sure at all if it would have any merit.
all i’m saying is that the complaince training vid drills that john has shared with us don’t deal with the jab as economically as rays comment as a solution.
I’m not vouching for YKW one way or the other. I train with guys who also train Western boxing, and I have had good success with jamming hooks and wrapping up. I’ve also been able to hook/trap jabs and crosses as well, but with less success than against the hook.
Against the uppercut, I always, always shield.
Granted, these guys aren’t pros…but then again, neither am I.
I like to use wrapping when I attack instead of waiting for my opponent to attack. Creating chance is always better than waiting for chance. This way I decide when to move in not my opponent.
How many times that profession boxer got hug on each other and the referee had to separate them and start all over again? Do they try to wrap each other’s arm? or it just happened?
If you just move in and your arms will touch your opponent’s arms no matter you like it or not (to kiss on his lips may be a bit difficult if he is not a gay). If you always step back then that will never happen. In CMA, it’s called jams your opponent space - don’t give him the space that he needs.
You only need to wrap your opponent’s arm once to finish the fight. If your opponent deliver 10 punches and if you have 10% successful rate in your skill then the fight is over. So be patient, your opponent’s punch will not always be fake and pull back so quickly. Soon or later he will comit in his punch.
You only need to take your girl to your bed once then she will no longer be virgin. Patient is the key word and the reward will be worthy.
I recall well when doing a certain new martial art and, when sparring, I was beaten soundly often. But I always got got sick of it and gave my opponent a swift kick in the knee. I was informed that it was against the rules. That is the problem with rules. Moves are illegal because they work too well. Do not overly worry yourself with that my friend.
Kicking them in the knee shortened them up everytime, I can assure you. they would say, that isn’t fair, you might hurt me. I said, you punching me in the head all the time isn’t fair either, it hurts me.
The point is, there are rules, for good reason. Without rules, you might hurt them. My orginal style included fishooks and other seriously nasty eagle claw techniques.
We can’t do that stuff today. That doesn’t mean those traditional schools that offer them have no value. Not at all. I am just saying that much of what u have learned is designed for life and death situations and so is useless in this world (not useless at at all but exploited by styles that teach the modern reality). Not true entirely. Useless is the wrong word.
Keep practising at your new school and one day, I promise you, you will respect the teaching from your first school.
thanks guys. but the girl at work didnt think it was very funny. if the boss didnt really really hate her i would have gotten fired. i guess your not supposed to go around kicking and spitting on people at the office.
i hear where you are coming from dude, but they are also practicing. i’ve seen judo and juijitsu guys pull of way more complex throws than that from a punch. if you take their space and jam im not sure why the wrap and throw couldnt flow with it.
i’m not saying i’d make it my bread and butter if i werent a judo guy (which im not), but i definatley think its feasible. i’d bet it has a higher success percentage than a spinning back fist.
i have had to fight under boxing rules, and i found that the street guys i were boxing werent boxers, but flailers
they are **** hard to predict, and u WILL get hit by them. they throw hits that will really mess themselves up in a real fight, but with the 14 oz gloves, they dont care.
i almost KOed this kid 40 lbs heavier than me with a “striaght punch” from lohan chuan (gong style ba gua’s mother form). preceding that was a long hook to the side of his face…(another lohan move) he DID knock me down 3 times in the round however…i recovered though, and two of those knock downs were me slipping on the pavement rather than him kncoking me down straight up.
i walked out of the fight with no injury
he had a swollen/cut eye
scoring the match, if u want to count the results like that, he won
but if u look at the fight as a whole, and the damage i did to him the last 30 seconds of the round after playing defense for a round and a half, i outfought him.
CMA does take some adjusting to fight in those rules, but it can happen. you probably wont fair TOO well but at least u wont get rocked too badly.
its probably easier to “box” a boxer than to “box” a flailer. any thoughts?
