Using Kung Fu Against Boxing

ok, to go along with RUNDMC (IKFMDC :wink: don’t do boxing-do only Kung-Fu.
don’t throw jabs-use jik kuen
don’t throw crosses, use ping choy
don’t throw hooks, use sow choy
don’t throw uppercuts, use pow choy
ok, I was basically kidding, but you see what’s being said.
The other thing-we have had great success using chain punches, been,sow,gwa,kup on boxers. Don’t fight their fight-fight YOUR fight
These strikes do very well, because it is outside their experience. Kind of like outside their belief system. They have no clue how to handle it. And when they cover, kup choy

Ive had to deal with alot of boxers and at training we put on the gloves to understand boxing with gloves, gloves suck bad. I learnt to cover quick and i found its easier dont play there game pressure them move in feel dont think. Think when you have time timing and distance are important. Mess up there balance. Dont look for techniques theyl appear on there own. Pressure them keep on doin it hit and fade or stay in close not in the middle thats bad.Keep working at it itl come get a little dirty its the way.

This is a great opportunity

I am always trying to get my students to spar with much better fighters. That is how you get better. I havn’t read all the responces, but the ones that I did read seemed great. You are lucky to be able to fight these people in the safety of the gym. learn all you can and keep aqn open mind.

Getting punched too much? Use crazy monkey boxing. It was developed(?) and promoted by the Straight Blast Gym International guys, and it’s awesome. Despite the name, SBGi is not WC or JKD.

It’s basically a modified version of Mike Tyson’s peek-a-boo boxing style. I became a better fighter in 2 months at SBGi than in all my other MA training up to that point.

That looks like it works great, until someone starts kicking you…

That’s what your legs are for :slight_smile:

might have already been said, but id go for more body shots.

many boxers are head hunters and they seem to guard their head better than their body. course im short so i like body shots regardless.

What the heck is this??? The ONLY reason I practice martial arts is for hurting the other guy. Hurting them BAD. I’m not a Shaolin priest, and I don’t do tai chi :slight_smile:

CMA is for mutilating, too :smiley:

jarhead

Everyone wants to play until they get hurt, ask some of the guys in the hosp, back from the sand box.

There is a lot of great advice here, and I don’t have a lot to add to it. My only observations are that I studied a style of kenpo that included boxing and grappling to add it to my study of kung fu. With traditional boxing gloves worn, this takes away much of the kung fu arsenal which uses grabs, clawing, panther fist, and snake mouth techniques. In a street situation, the hands turned backwards, open and in a boxing stance is the way to go. You can also put your hands in the tiger claw formation, and defend the same upper body areas. This allows you to defend against punches and also use kung fu techniques. The old cliche of never boxing a boxer, never trying to outkick a kicker, and never grapple with a grappler has a lot of truth. Quick kicks (kung fu) to keep out of boxing range can be used. Stay away from the opponent’s power side with good footwork. A jab can really hurt, but a cross that connects with power can be devestating. Try to get into a clinch. With no referee to break it up, you can possibly trap and execute a quick palm heel or other technique. A good boxer is definately a formidable opponent.

Thank you David for including that caviat. Some of us Gong Fu Peeps do like the ground almost as much as the JJ guys. I agree. Adapt, learn. If another style (be it boxing, JJ, MT, whatever) has a good technique steal it and add it to your own style. It doesn’t take away from the fact that you do Gong Fu. Gong Fu players have been trading techniques and improving on their arts for hundreds of years. It’s only been in the last hundred that a lot of people forgot to do this. Hell! Part of the reason that traditional Shaolin got so good is that it was a locus where masters from all over came to swap techniques. There is nothing wrong with doing this.

Try thinking of yourself as a white belt again- like you have never trained in anything. Learn what these guys are using against you. Basically, learn to punch. There are a lot worse things you can do than learning how to punch like a boxer. Learn that footowork, train on your blocking and avoiding ability.
Since you said that you are not allowed to use kicks yet, I am assuming that at some point you will be able to kick. When you reach that point, things should change drastically. Right now, you are in “their world.” You are fighting them on their ground- in their comfort zone if you will.
Once some kicking happens, you should be able to start landing some fast kicks to the midsection- they will PROBABLY be guarding their head a lot like they are used to. Kicks to the legs- if allowed- will be a good thing for you as well. Basically, these boxers will not be used to guarding themselves as low as what you will be attacking. You will have them a lot more on your level and in your comfort zone. Eventually, they will become aware of their ribs and legs hurting and they will drop the style of guarding their heads with both hands.
Before I start getting WAY too specific and speculative, just learn what they are teaching you RIGHT NOW. You have obviously found a weak spot in your training or in your personal ability. Take this opportunity to fix that before you move on to your comfort zone.

I’m a head hunter. I admit it. I just find that punches to the head, throws where you are siezing around the neck and chokes are high percentage techniques. And being a power guy I can eventually get some shots through. I get a kick out of body fighters who try to defeat me without targeting my head. I have some extra padding combined with some, limited, iron thread training. Sometimes folks have tried to side-kick me in the stomach and ended up on their @55e5 when they connected.

Are you psychic or what?

IronFist,

Thanks for the information, crazy monkey boxing, sounds good.

Originally Posted by gfx
No, it’s called being a thug.
Please don’t poison CMA with this kind of thinking.

If all the above arts can be seen as “Macho” without deliberatly resort to your suggested actions, why can’t you do the same? Or must you resort to intimidation like a school yard bully?

Grow up.

Maybe you should do Tai Chi, or possible you could re-visit you attitude.

I suppose tai chi was invented purely for the 65+ and in a real fight would also be done in slow motion like Kwai Chang Caine :rolleyes:

BeLikeWater " Rule 1: Never tell others everything you know ".

You already know the answer to that.

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i bet they are raising up too high when they kick. to each their own but i think its a real bad idea to raise up (some people raise clear up on their toes) when you kick. falling on your ass is just one thing that could go wrong.

im not saying i could harm your iron belly or anything. im sure teh power would ownzors me.

I think ikdkfmc post hit the nail on the head, all ive got to add is i believe the one and only simple reason that kf guys have trouble sparring boxers is because WE ARE TAUGHT TO CHASE HANDS , THEY ARE TAUGHT TO CHASE HEADS.

You think about it 90% of kf takes time with block this arm and block this arm and then block the other arm again, oh and look theres something else we can block, **** thats john holmes were fighting.

Wheras what does a boxer do oh look theres an arm lets hit him in teh head, theres another arm coming , i know lets hit him in the head again.

i see a pattern emerging here

does that make sense ?