Unemployed again!?!

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Being a Martial Artist trying to carve a career in Management, I have at times come into contact with senior staff who aren’t used to my ‘style’ of management.

My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job. And today yet another Manager sent me packing, as I fail my probation period because of my apparent ‘threatening behaviour’. I was sitting down at the time, debating protocol and unsatisfactory attitudes to change from my staff (I was responsible for five).

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable. So again I’m in the unemployment queue and wondering if it’s all worth the money?

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?

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No.

I just try to make friends with my co-workers and get along with them.

I’m trying to move jobs but only in the upward direction. :wink:

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yea dude, i hear ya.

been criticised for the same thing.

for me, i don’t want a bunch of double-talk PC bs when I’m being criticised, i want my bosses to tell me exactly what it is they want or don’t like…even when i’ve been criticised for being too blunt, or too direct, they are beating around the bush about it ‘it would be nice if…’, ‘others don’t feel you are sensative to their feelings’… it’s like: fine, i know i’m blunt but i get results with less time and cost involved.

i have always made expectations and consequences clear to my staff, and I’ve been managing people since 1986, but sometime around 2000 everybody got pc and ****. nowadays, it doesn’t even seem like you can clearly identify to someone when they are ****ing up…even if it’s been written in handbooks and s.o.p.'s

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when there is no job there is more time to work on practice.

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;886208]Being a Martial Artist trying to carve a career in Management, I have at times come into contact with senior staff who aren’t used to my ‘style’ of management.

My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job. And today yet another Manager sent me packing, as I fail my probation period because of my apparent ‘threatening behaviour’. I was sitting down at the time, debating protocol and unsatisfactory attitudes to change from my staff (I was responsible for five).

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable. So again I’m in the unemployment queue and wondering if it’s all worth the money?

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?[/QUOTE]

Time to find a new line of work. If you run into the same problem on every job then what does that tell you? You’re simply not cut out to manage others.

Sort of reminds me of this girl I knew. She wanted to be an astropysicist but could not pass algebra 101.:smiley:

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my job shirt says"flarhety masonry. go hard or go home. we had one laborer who was always on the cellphone… one day i just snapped and let out a roar… go hard or go the fuk home!! guess where he went…

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[QUOTE=uki;886221]my job shirt says"flarhety masonry. go hard or go home. we had one laborer who was always on the cellphone… one day i just snapped and let out a roar… go hard or go the fuk home!! guess where he went…[/QUOTE]

lol, too bad you didnt drop a hammer on his phone first.

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;886208]Being a Martial Artist trying to carve a career in Management, I have at times come into contact with senior staff who aren’t used to my ‘style’ of management.

My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job. And today yet another Manager sent me packing, as I fail my probation period because of my apparent ‘threatening behaviour’. I was sitting down at the time, debating protocol and unsatisfactory attitudes to change from my staff (I was responsible for five).

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable. So again I’m in the unemployment queue and wondering if it’s all worth the money?

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?[/QUOTE]

LOL! there’s a diference between “strict discipline” and passive-agressive @sshatery.

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[QUOTE=Becca;886226]LOL! there’s a diference between “strict discipline” and passive-agressive @sshatery.[/QUOTE]be blunt. be honest. say what you mean.

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I pretty much only work in order to do something during my downtime away from training.

I did the corporate thing, didn’t dig it. Now I have an office at home, and a training kwoon at home. However, sacrificed a considerable income in order to live this way. I’m happy.

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[QUOTE=Wu Wei Wu;886239]i However, sacrificed a considerable income in order to live this way. I’m happy.[/QUOTE]that’s the joy of life…

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[QUOTE=uki;886214]when there is no job there is more time to work on practice.[/QUOTE]

this coming from the self confessed pot head

high five

dont you have kids?

yeah no job, greeeatttttttt :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=golden arhat;886243]this coming from the self confessed pot head

high five

dont you have kids?

yeah no job, greeeatttttttt :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

hes saying that the great thing about life is that the guy he quoted was able to make a financial decision to work at home and be happy.

Uki i believe works as a full time mason…i have a close friend that does that. its **** hard work.

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[QUOTE=golden arhat;886243]this coming from the self confessed pot head

high five

dont you have kids?

yeah no job, greeeatttttttt!![/QUOTE]i am a mason, i work 30-40 hours per week weather permitting… and we smoke pot at work, drink beer at lunch… hows your job treating you? and yeah i have kids, 3 of them to be exact… we own a house on 3.25 acres, no mortgage. **** life is good.:smiley:

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;886208]Being a Martial Artist trying to carve a career in Management, I have at times come into contact with senior staff who aren’t used to my ‘style’ of management.

My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job. And today yet another Manager sent me packing, as I fail my probation period because of my apparent ‘threatening behaviour’. I was sitting down at the time, debating protocol and unsatisfactory attitudes to change from my staff (I was responsible for five).

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable. So again I’m in the unemployment queue and wondering if it’s all worth the money?

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?[/QUOTE]

Well if you keep getting fired for the same thing, then the problem is probably you. If they feel you are displaying ‘threatening behavior’ then you have some issues to deal with. You might want to change your approach or stay away from management.

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Coworkers are human, with human foibles and inconsistencies.

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[QUOTE=Lucas;886245]Uki i believe works as a full time mason…[/QUOTE]and now i have reverted to trading masonry work for firewood… then i have to hand split it all to keep the house warm all winter… but i am a lazy, no name, no style, pot-head, martial artist who doesn’t deserve children. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;886208]Being a Martial Artist trying to carve a career in Management, I have at times come into contact with senior staff who aren’t used to my ‘style’ of management.

My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job. And today yet another Manager sent me packing, as I fail my probation period because of my apparent ‘threatening behaviour’. I was sitting down at the time, debating protocol and unsatisfactory attitudes to change from my staff (I was responsible for five).

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable. So again I’m in the unemployment queue and wondering if it’s all worth the money?

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?[/QUOTE]

No offense mate, but it sounds like you’re not doing your job. Your higher-ups hired you to manage these underlings, regardless of their wanker status. You failed. Maybe you should inquire of the type of “attitude” your higher-ups want you to display: whip cracker, friend, stern father, etc. And then be that. And if that doesn’t work suggest a change to you higher ups. At least then its noted.

At the same time, being on probation is the result of something. Maybe you need to check with your own immediate higher-up (between the ears) and see if you’re managing your self right.

Good luck. Don’t take no p1ss. But don’t create it either.

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Lonetiger

You seem to be adamant about the way things should be. Take it from me, it is very frustrating. There are other, less obtrusive ways to effect change and to get what you want. You are a martial artist…try being the proverbial bamboo and network with your c-workers.

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My character alone has been affected by the lifetime grind of work, as I find that my own efforts in training do sometimes overshadow my dedication to a fulltime job.

You live in a prosperous country and don’t have any serious health problems. You’re no less fortunate than anyone on this forum. If you’re character is getting ground down by the requirements of living in modern society and its many advantages, maybe you need to work more on your character.

Training MA can be a fairly selfish pursuit. Consider perhaps finding a line of work which benefits others and isn’t all about making money or your own status. “Character building”, they used to call it.

Well if you keep getting fired for the same thing, then the problem is probably you.

Bingo!

Time and time again I see grown adults view my strict discipline and direct communication as unacceptable.

Your history indicates are that they probably are unacceptable. You are being sent a message, repeatedly, but you don’t want to listen.

Anyone else here moving from job to job wondering why you aint training instead?

Not really. I’ve held each of my jobs for between three and eight years, and I left all of them for greener pastures. Some included managing up to thirty people, but I found I could make good (enough) money as a contract software developer without having to go through the headaches of management. My current job (5 years) is in the healthcare industry, so I’m hopefully helping the sick at least indirectly (I could have sold sub-prime mortgages instead).

Some of my subordinates became and remained good friends. One of my best friends, who unfortunately died earlier this year, was my boss for about 15 years at various places. It isn’t necessary to be a domineering a-hole with a broomstick up his a$$ to succeed in management.

I’ve still managed to train between 3 and 5 times a week for most of that.

The best martial artist I know held a highly responsible government job all his working life, stayed married to the same woman and brought up two fantastic kids. And managed to stay the best martial artist I’ve ever seen.

The best martial artists IMO are well rounded people who manage to succeed in all areas of their lives, not just their training.

The Adams quote above is of great relevance to your situation. “by your actions,” being the pivotal line.

As the Sex Pistols said, “The problem is YOU! Whatcha gonna do?”