How has your view changed?

Lots of people here have been training for years and years. I started at about 13 years old. And I’m 32 (is that right?) now. Obviously, my views on most things have changed considerably in the past 19 years. And my view of martial arts has been no exception.

There have been a couple of posters here (e.g., Red5Angel and perhaps Meat Shake) who have gone through a shift in perspective as well.

So what’s changed? And why? Age? Experience? (Obviously, yes in both cases. But elaborate.)

Did you realize your school was a crock and go looking for new experiences? (That’s one from my own experiences. Not a jab at anyone here.) Did your teacher undergo a shift in perspective and bring you along for the drive?

What mattered then? What matters now? Blah, blah, blah.

Stuart B.

this is a tuff off… i have to get back to u on this one…

Hmm… Good question.
First off… In my younger days (8 years old - 16 or so) I tried TKD, tried Hapkido, tried BJJ… didnt really care for any of them. Started SD a year and a half ago or so… after a few years of being a complete bum… I wanted to learn death touch and all that crap when I first started… Learned quickly however, that it was close to useless. I hunted forms for the first few months… then realized that it was pointless. Started SC about 3 months ago… My SD training was kinda conflicting with the SC, due to light contact sparring and certain sweeping aspects from SD… I was a little low on cash as well. Stopped SD… Shortly thereafter, I found a Chen style Taijiquan teacher, named Sal De La Rosa. Bad mofo. Decided I couldnt miss an opprotunity to train with such a talented person, and I am now training under him as well as Sifu Kirk. Kirk trains for free, solely for preservation of the art, and I gotta say, hes a d@mn fine sifu. Sifu Ryan (My SD sifu) was a great sifu as well, but I just didnt feel that the SD was working for me quite as well as a more specified style would.
A lot of my views have changed because of, beleive it or not, this forum. :eek: Kinda opened up a new can of worms for me, made me question things a bit more. (Also have to give WD props for letting me know there was SC here in town :wink: )
My views have changed considerably even since a couple years ago… More than age Id have to say its due to experience and being open minded. Always remain open minded…

Good reply. Cheers MS.

Ahoy hoy, matey. :slight_smile:
Im sure I could have written more, but Im busy looking up the etymology of profanity. We have to write a paper on a personal problem for english, So… I chose profanity. :eek: I figured hey, Im in college, I can cuss in my papers. Why not write a paper about my problem with cussing so I can cuss a whole lot in it? :smiley:

Originally posted by Meat Shake
Ahoy hoy, matey. :slight_smile:
Im sure I could have written more, but Im busy looking up the etymology of profanity. We have to write a paper on a personal problem for english, So… I chose profanity. :eek: I figured hey, Im in college, I can cuss in my papers. Why not write a paper about my problem with cussing so I can cuss a whole lot in it? :smiley:

That, my friend, is oddly brilliant.

Well, back in the day I though TKD was a superior art - I mean your legs are much stronger than your arms, right? And we always schooled the Shotokan guys in point fighting, 'cause they couldn’t deal with our kicks. I practiced for about 2 years…Then I f’d up my knee and had to stop…I didn’t practice MA for 9 years. When I saw “Lethal Weapon 4,” I wanted to do all those cool stop kicks and such like Jet Li. I started up with a guy that was living in the same house as I was…a real character. I saw some cool concepts in Wing Chun so I bought the whole line, including GM William Cheung’s shady style transmission story. That lasted for 6 months then I moved. Later after a long search, I found a good 7* mantis school that taught mantis 4 days a week and Wing Chun on Wednesdays. But the mantis class began to suck, it was traditional and hardcore and such, but Sifu Kwan wasn’t allowed to teach the class for some legal reasons, and although his appointed Sifu did a pretty good job, his senior student was a total ass. They wouldn’t teach me the form, yet expected me to know it. Everytime I asked something, it was “go sit in a horse stance for a few minutes, then I’ll tell you the next move.” The Sifus “punished” the students for not lining up and not putting enough effort and such - the punishment was no sparring for months. Then we were doing punative pushups collectively, and the senior student kept bashing my arms, not respecting the fact that I have nerve damage in one wrist. The class was geared to teenagers and I ain’t taking sh!t from one, even if he could kick my ass at the time. So I guess I learned not to waste my time on something that wasn’t oriented towards me. I learned some stuff and moved on after 6 months…decided to study semi-privately with the Wing Chun/JKD sifu…Found out that Chueng’s wing chun is by no means the best wing chun. Also found that modern training methods with equipment and heavy sparring with 16 oz. gloves was the way to go as far as becoming a better fighter. I found out that training in sweat pants and forgetting about class heirarchy and si-hing this and Da Mo that was a more more beneficial way to train. I also found that thinking about movements in both Western and Eastern terms was the way to go for me, personally.

Yeah… It was either that or smoking herb, which Ive cut down significantly. I dont like writing serious papers either. I like to write funny papers. Im better at it. :slight_smile:
Anyhow…
TTT

Experience is a lot of it. I have worked with some people who have some incredible talent, and some who haven’t. Some of those were worth working with regardless of talent, and some were not. What I think it has come down to for me is that I got into the martial arts because I thought it was “cool” meaning I had no real reason for doing it.
Now a days it has become more of a lifestyle thing, has introduced me to alot of other things in the world, Eastern philosophy and culture being big ones. Used to be I didn’t know what pursuing the martial arts really meant for me but along the path I started to get a picture and find myself where I am now. Of course all things change and over time I imagine my goals and outlooks will change more but for me things have taken on more substance.

By the way, Red5 and MS, I hope you don’t mind my mentioning you by name.

LOL…mentioning by “name.”

Reminds me of the line from Boogie Nights, during the interview movie they shot. Marky Mark says, “I’m not Brock Landers. Brock Landers is a character I play. I’m Dirk Diggler.” Both were made up screen names. :stuck_out_tongue:

lofl.
Dirk Diggler. Great porn name. There is an arena in round rock called the “Dell Diamond” arena… If Dell Diamond isnt a porn name, I dont know what is.
:eek:
Brock landers… bahahaha…
Jesus… porn names are funny as shit. :smiley:
And Ap - No I dont care. :slight_smile:

No problem Ap, actually you and a few others have been around through a couple of transitions for me. I call them transitions because now that I am older and wiser in the ways of martial arts:rolleyes: I can see that many people go through several of the phases I went through. There is a source to these sorts of attitudes and it’s basically what bothers me most about trying to follow the martial way.
to many people out there in positions of responsibility, instructors “masters” “grandmasters” etc..willing to perpetuate the idea that anything but what they know must be inferior. too many people willing to try to tout what they have as the answer to all your martial needs.
What I have come to learn is that there is no complete art, no set of secret techniques that allow you to stand undefeatable by all other martial artists. That anyone can take just about any art, and if they have the will and the drive to learn, can make it work for them. While good teachers are a large contribution to how good you are, only you get to decide whether your good or not. You put in the time, the effort and the concentration and you WILL be a good martial artist.

As for you Ap, I owe you a bit of thanks for sort of being an internet guide without being aware of it. Your levelheadedness and open mind to the martial way has always given me pause to think about the things I am involved in, studying and what not. MP contributed alot to that as well, and a few others I just haven’t named. Sorry to get all touchy feely, go back to kickin ass and taking names.

So what/where/who are you studing from now?

Last I heard it was SPM/MMA?

At least your not a WC Forum troll anymore.

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Red5: clean out your PM’s, you focker.

[SIZE=4]FOCKER![/SIZE]

Hey, how do I change what it says below my name? I forgot.
:wink:

User control panel, Edit Profile. You have to wait 7 days from the time you sign up, though.

Hey, I figure I’ll bite. A lot of folks I know probly already know this one; and if the wrong people read it, they may get ticked, but what the he||.

Started when I was 16, after my friend/idol blasted me a good 4 feet with a no-inch / taiji brush knee push kinda thing. Hooked up with the guy he was studying with at the time before my friend moved on to the Fillipino MAs.

Trained with that first sifu for about 2 years in a bunch of stuff. Focused mostly on competition Taiji, hsing yi (wang shu jin style I’ve heard), and somewhat of a melange of animal styles. At the time I wanted to be a fighting Jet Li. Worked on tons of flexibility and acrobatics, cuz I could do a lot as a skinny 16 year old. My sparring was no-pad slap fighting. Got stomped one day by an older classmate who decided to get more serious about his training and lost all my confidence fighting wise. Thought I knew it all, cuz that was the attitude of the teacher. Still remember most, if not all, of the forms I learned (36); the hsing yi and 24 taiji really stuck with me.

Went off to college (unwillingly), got real depressed, gained a ton of weight, and didn’t have a school. Tried out a JKD school for a couple classes, but the teacher decided to turn a focus mitt session into a no-pad freespar situation. Guess he was tryin to spank me to convince me I needed the class; but all he connected with was a single leg kick so it just ended up giving me a bad taste in my mouth.

Got a co-op in another town, and got a reprieve from college for a little while. Hooked up with a mantis school when I was down there. Realized that it hurts to start over more than it does the first time around. First trip was 6 months, and was almost in shape by the time i left. Went back to school to get out of shape for another 5 months before goin back on a second trip. Second trip was almost a year and a half and went through the same experience again.

As before, I was learning tons of forms. Got a feeling of superiority because of the “grandmasters” that I was meeting through various seminars at the school. Sparring was a bit more involved; but about the level of continuous sparring at tourneys. Wasn’t really getting in shape the second time around. The training sessions left me seriously sore & overtrained; my diet wasn’t much help either.

Never quite felt like I fit in at the mantis school. Started getting on KFO back then & I liked reading up on a lot of stuff. I KNOW I talked waaaay too much sh*t online back then. I think my interest in history, theory, etc made some of my classmates think I was c0cky; eventho I talked decidedly less at the school. Think I knew back then that it wasn’t right for me but didn’t know how to process it.

While I was still with the mantis school, I worked out with a Shuai Chao school once a week for a few months towards the end of my co-op stint. Really liked working out with the Shuai Chao people; all the people in the class were real advanced and a tight group. Was really intimidated about free wrestling with them at the time. Wish I could’ve stayed there longer; good group and I may have found my niche.

Went back to college to graduate. Hooked up with a Taiwanese guy the last 4 months before graduation. He fought in King of San Da in China. We hung out like everyday. Was posting a lot; which probably means I was talking a ton of sh*t but it was my first real experience with sport fighting and I liked it a lot. The training was more geared to helping my friend than developing myself, so I didn’t feel completely immersed, but it was at least exposure; plus I was finally starting to get in shape again.

Graduated with nowhere to go. Hibernated at my folks’ place in San Antonio for the next 6 to 8 months. Got more out of shape than ever before; eventho I was occasionally hitting the gym and working out with Martialduolos from here. Spent too much time on the net, reading and posting. Didn’t know where I was gonna go- where I was gonna live, where I was gonna work, what I was gonna do martial arts wise.

Eventually I got a job and moved to the East coast. Been here just over a year and a half. Hooked up with a traditional school and got back into the swing of things…again. After a year of not feeling like my shape was improving any, I figured something had to change. Also started realizing that I wanted to fight full contact & actually practise stuff like I was gonna use it with full intensity.

Hooked up with Suntzu and Julio & fixed my diet; haven’t regretted it since. Got in a lot better shape with more confidence. Seeing both sides of the issue that I thought I’d understood through various internet arguments years before was eye opening. Resolved the old Traditional vs Sport Fighting arguments for myself.

I still do lion dance and hit up my traditional school pretty regularly; because they’re family & I just like doing it (especially lion). While I go through bouts of frustration with the kung fu school; or overtraining at the gym; I do think I’ve found my niche. I don’t have the old “crisis of training” every few months that I was getting with just training forms & tournament sparring. I also got friends to go film stupid joke movies with after training. :smiley:

I’ve gone from being your typical traditional purist to having a more “moderate” standpoint. I think there’s reasons to train forms if you want to. I think there’s good stuff that can be used in traditional kung fu. I also think styles are more of an individual thing- that people are fluid, they grow, and they need to exploit their strengths. So I don’t see the point of not using something if it works, if I can use it, and if it makes me a better fighter.

I think belonging to X-type of traditional kung fu is more about family, loyalty, morals, ethics, philosophy, etiquette, and principles rather than what stance you fight out of, only training exactly what was trained hundreds of years ago, only hanging with certain people, and only attending certain events.

Realized that cuz “so and so” could fight back in the day; or because “grandmaster X” was visiting my school twice a year; or cuz sifu fights real good was no excuse for me not to see what I could do. I really had some insecurities at always having to point to someone else’s ability.

Went from being a guy who kept using the “well the ring isn’t the street” argument; to realizing that “the street” didn’t make any sense for me; personally, to base my training around. I’d rather avoid a street confrontation at any cost; and I’ve never had any as an adult to begin with.

I realize that I’d prefer to have a skillset that was only used in a ring with specific rules & that knowing what I could do in that ring was enough to quiet those insecurities I’d always had at the other kung fu schools where the training wasn’t based around competing full contact.

Another thing that came about as a result of the gym was the concept of no longer having to wait until someone told me it was “okay” to start training to fight. In kung fu there was this perception that sifu would someday tell me I was ready to start training to fight and until then just train what i was doing. Of course, waiting for your coach to say you’re ready for a competition’s a different story; but it was nice to find out that the training wasn’t reserved for 5 or 10 year advanced students.

First fight’s in a week and a half. Coming off a bad bout of overtraining & undereating last weekend and I just hope I’m where I need to be in time for the event.

Sorry for the long post. Not trying to pizz anyone off, just relating some personal experiences. I’ll let yah know how it goes.

No need for apologies. Good insightful post.

fa_jing, my pm is clean…now.

Yenhoi, yep training MMA, mostly BJJ and Muy Thai for competition. I do one day a week of Praying Mantis for fun. From time to time I try to pick up a wingchun class just to keep that up as well but it doesn’t happen that often.
The BJJ and MT training have taken up a lot of my time now a days and when I am ready to start competing it may take up a little more but I am enjoying the hell out of it.