I just finished watching that garbage on TV. Brock Lessnar versus Randy Coulture for the world’s title.
To start with it kinda says something about your organization to have a guy 46 years old as your world’s champion. And they kept calling this guy a Hall of Famer…
The guy has a record of 16-8 and he’s a HOFer?
His opponent: A professional wrestler who’s so slow it’s not even funny.
Is this the best they can come up with? This almost makes the WWE look respectable!
Why don’t you go show 'em how it’s done, big mouth.
Because I’m not a MMA fighter and never will be. However I am a casual fight fan. When I watch it I expect to see quality. Not some has-been versus a muscle bound pro wrestler.
In fact I saw another fight Lesnar was in…This one was against a guy who actually had a little skill. He beat Lesnar in about two minutes. All he did was play with him until he saw an opening to apply a submission…funny really.
Are you saying that no one can say anything about MMA fights unless they are a fighter themselves? I think the promoters would disagree with you. They need all the fans they can get.
Finally, to be honest, even if I did have the skills to compete, they could not pay me enough to make it worth my while. That’s probably the reason they have the talent level they do!
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908319]Because I’m not a MMA fighter and never will be. However I am a casual fight fan. When I watch it I expect to see quality. Not some has-been versus a muscle bound pro wrestler.[/QUOTE]
Because your comments were stupid.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908319]Are you saying that no one can say anything about MMA fights unless they are a fighter themselves? I think the promoters would disagree with you. They need all the fans they can get. ![/QUOTE]
When you watch a professional football game you might note that one team plays better than the other, but to say “Those clowns don’t even know how to play football! They are all so slow and clumsy. What a rip-off!” is just plain stupid.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908319]Finally, to be honest, even if I did have the skills to compete, they could not pay me enough to make it worth my while. That’s probably the reason they have the talent level they do![/QUOTE]
Oh they couldn’t pay you enough? :rolleyes: How convenient that it will never come to that, eh?
[QUOTE=Kansuke;908326]Because your comments were stupid.[/QUOTE]
Right!
You know I’ve just scanned the posts you have made here. The vast, vast majority ot them are confrontational and offensive to people who may not have the same opinion as you.
If that’s your thing then go for it man. It eases the pain of real life doesn’t it?
Another keyboard master:rolleyes:
All those “skill-less” “jokes” would own you like a little Boulder *****!!!
how’s about making a point with this thread and cut the crap, mkay? 
Coutures losses include 2 to Liddell, stoppage by eye cut to Belfort in under a minute. The guy is in his mid-40’s and smacked around Tim Sylvia for 25 minutes and turned Gonzaga into a bloody mess in a little over 10. What you saw in November (or last night for whoever didn’t see it live) was a 46-year-old who hasn’t fought in 18-months lose to someone who probably stepped into the ring 50 pounds heavier. An 18-month hiatus for any professional athlete is a long time, but for a 46 year old full contact fighter it is even more so. Couture didn’t even get his head movement going until the second round (Look at the difference between Lesnar round 1 and the whole Sylvia fight). Couture has shown on many occassions he has the ability to take out younger opponents.
That being said Lesnar’s hand skill has improved dramatically in his 3 UFC fights (I hate Lesnar, FYI). And in his fight with Mir, Frank admitted postfight that he felt like he was drowning vs. Lesnar and was lucky when he reached up and realized he had grabbed Lesnar’s leg. I am looking forward to the rematch now the Mir knows what he is up against. I also noted in that Couture fight that Lesnar is not in the great shape he was in during the Mir fight. It’s gotta take a lot out of you to cut down to 265…
yea, good observations.
being just 5 years younger, I don’t know how Randy does it. Must have a good stable of medical and psuedo-medical people to keep him going…not taking away from his skills, he’s a hero to me a bit, but no matter the mindset, the body just wants to degrade after 40 for sure…maybe he’s looking to be the first 50 year old still competing at that level.
I know he attributes a lot of his ability to still compete on his diet. I know that has always been my weak point.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908316]
A professional wrestler who’s so slow it’s not even funny.
[/QUOTE]
google is your friend, google will tell you that he’s an All American and an NCAA Div 1 national wrestling champion
IE a better fighter than you could ever hope to be
Oh, and he made MILLIONS being “just” a “professional wrestler”
and he’s married to a hot chick…
No wonder you don’t like him :rolleyes:
You can’t say a guy is a has-been based on age alone. Bernard Hopkins is a top 10 pound-for-pound boxer and he is 44 years old.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908316]
To start with it kinda says something about your organization to have a guy 46 years old as your world’s champion. And they kept calling this guy a Hall of Famer… The guy has a record of 16-8 and he’s a HOFer?
[/QUOTE]
You see these types of records all over the UFC. I don’t think this takes anything away from the skill of the UFC, but what I think this does point to is one thing: The current MT/BJJ combo is not the end-all/be-all of MMA. Fighting is largely luck, and skill helps take some of the luck element out of the equation. Look at boxing where you have many fighters with records of 30+ wins and less than 5 losses. Now I know a lot of that comes from “sheltering” of boxers early in their career, but I think it mainly comes down to this - the techniques of the sport (boxing) have pretty well been defined, and fights now come down to skill, game plan and execution and will/heart. Fighers still lose on lucky shots (a la Lewis/Rahman, Lewis/Douglas, etc.) but in general luck is much less of a factor in boxing as it is in MMA. I think this shows how much MMA is still in its infancy stage.
I wouldn’t call it luck at all. It’s all about the rules. In MMA, there are alot of ways to end a fight, so 1 mistake is often all it takes. In boxing you have standing 8 counts, which often allow a guy to survive, where in MMA he would likely be finished off. In boxing you can also ‘take a knee’ to avoid blows, but in MMA if you go down you do not get a respite. Also the gloves used in MMA are easier to KO someone with, and cannot be used for defense like boxing gloves can.
[QUOTE=golgo;908456]You see these types of records all over the UFC. I don’t think this takes anything away from the skill of the UFC, but what I think this does point to is one thing: The current MT/BJJ combo is not the end-all/be-all of MMA. Fighting is largely luck, and skill helps take some of the luck element out of the equation. Look at boxing where you have many fighters with records of 30+ wins and less than 5 losses. Now I know a lot of that comes from “sheltering” of boxers early in their career, but I think it mainly comes down to this - the techniques of the sport (boxing) have pretty well been defined, and fights now come down to skill, game plan and execution and will/heart. Fighers still lose on lucky shots (a la Lewis/Rahman, Lewis/Douglas, etc.) but in general luck is much less of a factor in boxing as it is in MMA. I think this shows how much MMA is still in its infancy stage.[/QUOTE]
I can agree with that to a certain extent. I don’t keep up with it extremely close but it seems to me there are a lot of different organizations all with different rules. Also, the money is simply not there to attact the top talent. What you get is a group of older guys (like couture), 3rd rate fighters (People who could not make it in boxing, football, etc) and finally pro wrestlers.
I’ve just read a story tonight where another pro wrestler is looking to sign with the UFC. I forget his name but he’s a huge black guy in the mold of a Brock Lesnar. What they are saying (and given the current situation with Lesnar there is no reason to doubt this) is that if you are simply big enough and strong enough you too can be a MMA champion. Also, when I see people who look like the Hulk make the move from pro wrestling to MMA I just wonder about steroid use.
Anyway, MMA is in bad need of talent. They need some guy in his early to mid twenties who would simply dominate the sport. Also, many more Kimbo Slice type fights and they can forget the entire thing.
[QUOTE=1bad65;908460]I wouldn’t call it luck at all. It’s all about the rules. In MMA, there are alot of ways to end a fight, so 1 mistake is often all it takes. In boxing you have standing 8 counts, which often allow a guy to survive, where in MMA he would likely be finished off. In boxing you can also ‘take a knee’ to avoid blows, but in MMA if you go down you do not get a respite. Also the gloves used in MMA are easier to KO someone with, and cannot be used for defense like boxing gloves can.[/QUOTE]
You make some good points, but I still think there is a lot of luck involved. The fact that their gloves allow for easier knockouts, means that it is more likely that 1 lucky shot will end the fight. I still think that as the sport matures, fighters will find ways to neutralize the vast majority of those lucky strikes. The current way of doing that seems to be taking the person to the ground. But, once everyone starts doing that, it becomes easier to defend against. It may take a while, but eventually counter strategies develop. Its like football - various defensive and offensive schemes become popular and seem unstopable - until someone figures out how to stop them. Then people go out and try new schemes and the cycle repeats. I think the same thing will happen in MMA, but it just hasn’t been around long enough to see this play out.
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;908408]Oh, and he made MILLIONS being “just” a “professional wrestler”[/QUOTE]
Really? I have a feeling you don’t know the business. I would bet that Brock would be surprised that he earned milions in pro wrestling!
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908463]I
I’ve just read a story tonight where another pro wrestler is looking to sign with the UFC. I forget his name but he’s a huge black guy in the mold of a Brock Lesnar. What they are saying (and given the current situation with Lesnar there is no reason to doubt this) is that if you are simply big enough and strong enough you too can be a MMA champion. Also, when I see people who look like the Hulk make the move from pro wrestling to MMA I just wonder about steroid use.
[/QUOTE]
I am not a fan of pro wrestling, but I will say this - those guys are SUPERIOR athletes and they know how to take an f-in beating.
I just watched the Wrestler this weekend and if even 1/2 of that movie is true, well then I am doubly impressed.
BUT, yeah… the steroid thing. It might be an issue.
[QUOTE=BoulderDawg;908465]Really? I have a feeling you don’t know the business. I would bet that Brock would be surprised that he earned milions in pro wrestling!:D[/QUOTE]
you’re an idiot…
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/02/12/929079.html
7 year contract, 1 million per year, plus endorsements and product royalties