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phantom
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Lion’s roar style?
Could somebody lease tell me what this style is like? I think it is the same as Lama Pai kung fu, but I am not sure. Thank you for any insight that you could give me concerning this topic.
posted 06-22-01 12:37 PM
Kung Lek
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From: Toronto, Ontario,Canada
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Hi-
Lions Roar is a tibetan system to the best of my knowledge.
I am not 100% certain that it is definitively Lama Pai Kung Fu though.
It could be a variation, or an older system or perhaps a younger system.
but that you have stated “tibetan” you are on the right track.
peace
Kung Lek
posted 06-22-01 01:22 PM
CrazyDan
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Registered: 01-29-01
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Ive heard of that system, it said it was a tibetian system, I did run across website of a system that was based on that and other styles but i cant dig it up, ill look some more for it
I remember sometihng on that site about 8 ways to block, palm, kick, punch, ect
Good thread though, I was thinking of posting if any one knew anythihng about the Lion Roar System, hopefully we will find out some info here
posted 06-22-01 01:38 PM
No_Know
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Lion’s Roar is another name for White Crane (plunb blossom form at least). This I perceive from a video (entertainment:Shao-Lin Wooden Men) and a Kung-Fu manual.
Very some such,perhaps might have been, likely say some, some not.
posted 06-22-01 02:01 PM
CrazyDan
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Here a link I found to the site i was talking about its called Lion Claw Kung Fu , it is based on the Lion Roar system
http://www.lionsclawkungfu.co.uk/frameset.htm
Here are those 8 things i was talking about on the site
quote:
The Eight Character True Essence
The Eight Fist Strikes
The Eight Kicking Techniques
The Eight Blocking Techniques
The Eight Stepping Patterns
The Eight Palm Strikes
The Eight Finger Strikes
The Eight Seizing (Clawing) Techniques
The Eight Stances
Go to the site to find out more info, hoped this helped!
posted 06-22-01 02:10 PM
Ben Gash
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From: Swindon, England
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This guy never states where he learned Lions Roar from. It really makes me laugh, the lethal Lions claw fist of Kidderminster! (Kidderminster’s quite a small, not very exciting place about 50 miles from me).
Some friends of mine in Minneapolis share a place with a Lama Pai and Lion’s Roar group, but they’re a bit hazy about details.
“Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice”
Lao Tzu
posted 06-22-01 02:30 PM
oldwolf
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I will have to get Sensei Butch Whites permission to comment on this, or his Senior student Sensei Calvin Collins, but I’ll probably have to wait till they stop laughing.
“And the crowd called out for more”
posted 06-22-01 02:44 PM
BAI HE
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From: BOSTON, MA
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Tibetan
No_Know awas pretty close to the mark.
White Crane was initially called " Lion’s Roar ".
posted 06-22-01 03:18 PM
oldwolf
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ps I’m training with Calvin Collins this weekend, who happens to live and train in Worcester where this geezer now teaches, and also trains at the Samurai Dojo, so I’ll give you the low down.
“And the crowd called out for more”
posted 06-22-01 04:06 PM
Ben Gash
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Just been to David Ross’s excellent site (where’s he been lately anyway?) www.geocites.com/Colosseum/9358/tibetan.html
Apparently Lions Roar was the original name for Lama Pai.
“Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice”
Lao Tzu
posted 06-23-01 01:54 PM
Kong Zhi Wu
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From: Atlanta, GA , USA
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Being that I’m a Tibetan Stylist I can fill y’all in some info. Its the basic origin of all Tibetan styles, like Pak Hok, Hop Gar, Lama Pai, etc. Hop Gar history: www.hopgar.com
Ben Gash - Ross’ site is ok, but his info about Ku Chi Wai learning in San Fran is way off…
Zvika
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posted 06-23-01 08:30 PM
Turiyan
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From: Clearwater, florida, usa
Registered: 09-28-99
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Not the same
Adato originally used only a few techniques. The shooting star fist (charge punch, fisthook, uppercut, overhand strike) which pluged in well with the chin-na and wrestling the monks already did.
The six strengths came later with the addition of two more punches. The sledge punch, which is the fisthook done backwards. And the claw hand. Which was executed, traditionally, off the front hand after executing one of the other punches.
Other techniques were added to make a SYSTEM (It was originally a style like chin-na, no forms) with the numerology and kicks, ect.
The system seems pretty superfluous and spurious to me. For instance. Is the sledge punch done with two backfists (like bruce lee) done horizontally and diagnolly down two seperate new punchs?
Why is the ridge hand considered a “punch”? The finger and palm strikes are just non-fist versions of the same punches.
What about when you do a fisthook off a throwing punch (uppercut) or a overhand strike? Just a variation that wasnt added to the numerological scheme of things…
Fine if you dont actually want to learn how to use something in real fighting and maintain the structure of a system.
Lama doesnt use the sledge punch. It uses the double backfist which is done horizontally or down at an angle.
I saw a hop gar form. Looked more like hsing-i tiger form than rough and tumble fighting. And the charge punch wasnt executed by crossing the arms in front of the body.
The term lions roar refers to Bodhidharma, who was known for a lions roar laugh. When he laughed he’d roar like a lion.
The 4 healing sounds are based on laughs.
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posted 07-05-01 04:13 PM
oldwolf
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ps they hav’nt stopped laughing yet
“And the crowd called out for more”
posted 07-05-01 04:20 PM
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