Triad Gangs and Kung Fu

You’re not suggesting a link between Du Yue-Sheng and Doo Wai, are you? What, do you think Doo Wai’s like one of Du Yue-Sheng’s sons or something? Their surnames are spelled differently, so I don’t think there’s any link.

You’re not suggesting a link between Du Yue-Sheng and Doo Wai, are you?

no no. I just read something about Doo Wai when i pulled up Du’s name.

i don’t suggest any connection between the two. i’d never heard DU practiced any gung fu, its always possible, it was china, but nothing really is written in regards to him and martial arts.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1125668]no no. I just read something about Doo Wai when i pulled up Du’s name.

i don’t suggest any connection between the two. i’d never heard DU practiced any gung fu, its always possible, it was china, but nothing really is written in regards to him and martial arts.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. If there were, then Qing Bang’d be associated with White Tiger; and it isn’t. All the same, it would be interesting to find out what Doo Wai’s hometown was. I think it was established here by LLKMD that he didn’t know Cantonese. But that’s another thread,…that wouldn’t go anywhere…

well, this subject made me go dig out one of my books on the subject and it mentions that Big Ears Du was first initiated into the Hung P’ang (Red Gang) but it doesn’t mention anything about him and gung fu. (not yet).

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1125674]well, this subject made me go dig out one of my books on the subject and it mentions that Big Ears Du was first initiated into the Hung P’ang (Red Gang) but it doesn’t mention anything about him and gung fu. (not yet).[/QUOTE]

I don’t think Du, a true killer, had practiced any martial art and during those times a pistol or a rifle was the short answer to any dispute. If you look at the slaughter of communists by Qingpang is quite noticeable that Du ordered under the instructions of big powers at that time in Shanghai. He’s also known for his close ties with Nationalists and very little is know of him except that he was even more cruel than the Al Capone, another killer.

As for Doo, nothing related and don’t know where Faruk got the leopard or any other invented name. And as for names, don’t know where you can find white tiger in Southern China, may be an albino or another made up invention.

I don’t think Du, a true killer, had practiced any martial art and during those times a pistol or a rifle was the short answer to any dispute. If you look at the slaughter of communists by Qingpang is quite noticeable that Du ordered under the instructions of big powers at that time in Shanghai. He’s also known for his close ties with Nationalists and very little is know of him except that he was even more cruel than the Al Capone, another killer.

lots of triad leaders were gung fu masters. but not all of them. a Hung Mun dragon head in Hong Kong was a Choy Lee Fut guy. but i know what you’re saying.

[QUOTE=mig;1125692]I don’t think Du, a true killer, had practiced any martial art and during those times a pistol or a rifle was the short answer to any dispute. If you look at the slaughter of communists by Qingpang is quite noticeable that Du ordered under the instructions of big powers at that time in Shanghai. He’s also known for his close ties with Nationalists and very little is know of him except that he was even more cruel than the Al Capone, another killer.

As for Doo, nothing related and don’t know where Faruk got the leopard or any other invented name. And as for names, don’t know where you can find white tiger in Southern China, may be an albino or another made up invention.[/QUOTE]

Probably not in Sichuan either. I definitely have not found one person who’s ever heard of the white tiger in Southern China. I can’t find a reference for the white leopard either, so I must’ve been talking out of my ask me what I was thinking about when I pulled that one out: I have no idea.

But didn’t they say Qing Bang was known for using meat cleavers? Wasn’t that where they got the meat cleavers idea for Kung Fu Hustle?

But didn’t they say Qing Bang was known for using meat cleavers? Wasn’t that where they got the meat cleavers idea for Kung Fu Hustle?

meat cleavers are the primary tool of many triad soldiers.

The book Ritual and Mythology of the Chinese Triads: Creating an Identity by Barend J. ter Haar mentions some stuff about martial arts.

[QUOTE=Faruq;1125713]

But didn’t they say Qing Bang was known for using meat cleavers? Wasn’t that where they got the meat cleavers idea for Kung Fu Hustle?[/QUOTE]

Go watch it again.

Those were Axes, not meat cleavers. Their name was even “The Axe Gang”()

The book Ritual and Mythology of the Chinese Triads: Creating an Identity by Barend J. ter Haar mentions some stuff about martial arts.

there are a few good books on the subject.

read this:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:CgSewEV6C3cJ:www.cusile.com/files/paper/SOCI0054%2520Two%2520Dragons%2520for%2520The%2520Pearl%2520%255B2007.05.05%255D.pdf+Triad+societies+in+Hong+Kong+by+W.+P.+Morgan&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShCTkSdhl4A9uz1IkrJR0pBuuHLPbMB_5Yg6yLupl8nabE256oITOVdvfzOK7PxVEGFKGu-fsOCsTjyfs453Q7jd_V19D12XyL9KnxlBdhUrbgBwpzlfq8mHYKu9EwJrSPF30-E&sig=AHIEtbQgC8VUdExGCh8XW1YMgtBU8OEijw&pli=1

Hung Society:
http://books.google.com/books?id=jNtbfGMTmGoC&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=stanton+"36+oaths"&source=bl&ots=QQE6xDXDJp&sig=1j4SxsRoZjbD8GfSafEvWW-K8mc#v=onepage&q=stanton%20"36%20oaths"&f=false

[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1125439]If you check out David Icke, you won’t be far into his ramblings before you can clearly make the decision that he is perhaps somewhat mentally unhinged.

seriously, the guy is OUT there.

we can all see the obvious and it doesn’t take a genius to point out hypocrisy or inequity in our world, but this guy and his ilk? Yeah, borderline crazy.[/QUOTE]

Look up some of his presentations on Youtube and watch them with an open mind (as opposed to a “know it all” mind :wink: )

The fact is that a lot more people USED to think he was mentally unhinged, than they do now. There is a good reason for that, and that is, a lot of stuff he was warning about is happening right now…

[QUOTE=omarthefish;1125717]Go watch it again.

Those were Axes, not meat cleavers. Their name was even “The Axe Gang”()[/QUOTE]

Darn! I’m not getting anything right in this thread! But at least I got the area of Sichuan right (I hope) for Qing Bang.

The Triads did use meat cleavers in “Nuns on the Run.”

And David Icke is unhinged. He thinks that most of the political class in the world are secret reptile aliens from the hollow earth. Either he’s insane or he’s part of a secret Dr. Who viral advertising campaign.

typical Triad Weapon

I used to have one of those chain whips - had to leave it in China as it is monstrously illegal in Canada.

I used to have one of those chain whips - had to leave it in China as it is monstrously illegal in Canada.

even for gung fu schools?

I wonder if the five links whip is related to the Five Ancestors (symbolically) since the triad used this weapon.

[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1125923]even for gung fu schools?[/QUOTE]

It would be iffy within that context. You could probably get away with it, but if you were transporting it to or from the school, and a police officer searched you, you’d be in a lot of trouble.

Chain weapons are particularly proscribed in Canada. Not really sure why.

It would be iffy within that context. You could probably get away with it, but if you were transporting it to or from the school, and a police officer searched you, you’d be in a lot of trouble.

yeah we always kept ours in the trunk and business cards showing the address of our school. still iffy tho. I was stopped once and the cop searched my trunk. he found a drum stick for lion dancing that had tape around the middle. he tried to claim it was a club of some sort. LOL.

LOL Yeah, in Canada that’d only happen if you were suspected of disliking the prime minister while he was in town for an economic conference.

Of course, if you are suspected of disliking the PM while he’s in town for an economic conference, the police are likely to call a water bottle a weapon.