Here’s a quote from a JKD student.
“Most styles specialize in just one range (TKD for kicking, wing chun for trapping, bjj for ground, etc.).”
Good to see that WC is good for at least one thing. 
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
How did this thread turned into another jkd debate anyway?
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It was my fault. 
Yes…It’s your fault!..you %$&?&?((&*? 
You’re in love and you have lost your centerline!!!
C’est la vie!
Do WC people ever learn to strike or do they just trap all day? 
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
rogue … What a strike? 
Old Jong…what’s a centerline?
I’m with Blackjack on this one…
I agree with a lot of what he’s saying. JKD is definitely not an off-shoot of Wing Chun. On the surface, it bears little resemblance to Wing Chun. On a strategic level, there are a few similarities. But, then again, you find the same principles in boxing, fencing, savate, bjj, etc.
The problem really lies in the fact that many people think of JKD as a style, when it isn’t. Now, JUN FAN (Lee’s modified wing chun) was a style. If you look at something as a style (Jun Fan), then you can find it’s roots (Wing Chun). There’s a progression.
But JKD is SO DIFFERENT from Jun Fan because Bruce Lee didn’t arrive at it out of some intellectual impetus; the REALITIES of combat dictated that he, as a martial artist, EVOLVE. In other words, THE TRUTH OF HIS EXPERIENCE as a fighter and individual dictated his arrival at JKD. Not because he couldn’t get Sifu Yip Man to teach him the deepest darkest secrets of Wing Chun and the wooden dummy (which btw, has been published in a book called the 108 movements of the Mook Jong, with Yip Man performing them for all to see, so where’s the secret, really?), but because REALITY dictated that he evolve into a fighter that was capable of handling a true combat situation. NECESSITY formed JKD; not hubris.
Of course, the obvious question is: then what the eff is it? I’d really, really love to answer that question…but I don’t have the words for it, really. Just like Wing Chun, and pretty much any other style of combat, it must be experienced in order for it to be understood by the individual.
To understand JKD is to experience it.
Never confuse sparring with fighting. One is an exchange of skill; the other an exchange of blood.
from jason8’s comments:
“The problem is that JKD is a theory that should be taught to martial artists, ones who have a base in some system, and not to individuals with no experience.”
Agreed. I think Bruce is turning in his grave right now at the way his theories have been turned into a cash machine…
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>>>“The problem is that JKD is a theory that should be taught to martial artists, ones who have a base in some system, and not to individuals with no experience.”<<<
So what exactly is the theory that should be taught?
Also what fighting realities was Lee facing, weather Robin could beat Kato?
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
rogue! you slay me!
I was practicing trapping yesterday-
I made out with three raccoon pelts…
Come on Rogue! Robin was “lethal!” Why do you think he was Batman’s “best” friend?..EH?
C’est la vie!
Carp guys! I spelled whether wrong! :mad:
Adventure is just a romantic name for trouble. It sounds swell when you write about it, but it’s hell when you meet it face to face in a dark and lonely place.
Louis L’Amour
Watchman - theory
Ok, so this is just my opinion, all you JKD dudes don’t get your knickers in a twist
From what I understand from reading Bruce’s work, his was a method of approaching fighting and understanding what to do about it. He aimed to train people to think about what was right for them, not how to fit themselves into someone else’s idea of how to fight. By its nature, it presupposes some foundational training to begin with. I myself am interested in studying JKD principles, but only after I feel I have a very good solid foundation in my mother art, wing chun. And I don’t think that will be for many years still. In my opinion, JKD is a graduate course, not a freshman curriculum, and as such I think there is a disservice being done in teaching it as a fundemental ‘style’. Just my opinion here. 
peace,
Jas
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LOL@ rogue! And I didn’t know Robin was a sadist! Go figure!(BTW, what exactly does the expletive “carp guys!” mean?)
…no
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I dont know about anyone else, but I feel im evolving every time i train. My WC today has evolved ALOT since 1 year ago, and will evolve even more in another 10 years. I dont see how JKD evolved out of nesessity when Martial Artists have been doing it for centuries!
Anyone care to explain?
Jas,
I understand the theory behind JKD (hey, I read ToJKD!). It’s just that I’ve never encountered any grand revelations on fighting in any material on JKD, or from any JKD practioner, that I didn’t already learn in Wing Chun.
So I guess what the question is…what’s the big deal? because I’m not seeing what it is.
Sunt hic etiam sua praemia laveli
“Here too virtue has its due reward.”
Good point - what is the big deal? I’m not sure, to be honest. But I think this ‘thinking about what is right for me’ might be useful to me in the future, as a way to check on my rigidity. I don’t know about any startling revelations in fighting
Right now, I am learning tools, and application of tools. When the applications are second nature through repetition, have I locked myself out of optimum performance because I have not adjusted to my own strengths and weaknesses? Am I doing a move ‘so’ and a strategy ‘such’ because that is what I have been training, or because that really is the best way for me, my body, my mind?
Things I think about
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bullseye
JasBourne,
I think you are right on target.
