now you’re trying to take this to a philosophical level:p
kids SHOULDN’T understand how bad their parents are while they are still kids. in this case there is a 10 year old and a 17 year old…if it were just the 17 year old I might go there but not with the 10 year old involved.
i’m a sap…the innocence of children should be preserved.
[QUOTE=Oso;776125]now you’re trying to take this to a philosophical level:p
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Guilty.
kids SHOULDN’T understand how bad their parents are while they are still kids.
Hrm… I don’t know, I mean, learning that sooner rather than late might be an excellent way to demonstrate the concept of leverage 
in this case there is a 10 year old and a 17 year old…if it were just the 17 year old I might go there but not with the 10 year old involved.
i’m a sap…the innocence of children should be preserved.
Actually, I’d assumed they were significantly younger than that for some reason(say…5-10). innocent I’m actually of the opposite bent, kids should IMO be taught the harsh realities as early as possible so they can more effectively manipulate events in their favor. I imagine though, that the 17 yo at least probably already knows somewhat of how such things work.
[QUOTE=n00854180t;776127]Guilty.
Hrm… I don’t know, I mean, learning that sooner rather than late might be an excellent way to demonstrate the concept of leverage
could be but should someone else be the catalyst?
Actually, I’d assumed they were significantly younger than that for some reason(say…5-10). innocent I’m actually of the opposite bent, kids should IMO be taught the harsh realities as early as possible so they can more effectively manipulate events in their favor.
I could argue for that as well. But, I don’t believe it’s my place to facilitate it.
I imagine though, that the 17 yo at least probably already knows somewhat of how such things work.[/QUOTE]
he’s not ignorant of it but…well, the situation is unusual to say the least and I do feel that these kids participation in my school will be fundamental to them…becoming more ‘self aware’…???..
… so, yea, I’m guilty of thinking that exposure to martial arts will help these kids be more capable of dealing with ________________. edited for content 
[QUOTE=Oso;776128]could be but should someone else be the catalyst?[/quote]Probably a good idea.
I could argue for that as well. But, I don’t believe it’s my place to facilitate it.
Indeed, angering the parents wouldn’t benefit anyone. They’ll learn it the same way everyone else does sooner or later anyway.
he’s not ignorant of it but…well, the situation is unusual to say the least and I do feel that these kids participation in my school will be fundament
al to them…becoming more ‘self aware’…???.. … so, yea, I’m guilty of thinking that exposure to martial arts will help these kids be more capable of dealing with ________________. edited for content
If their tuition becomes a problem and you feel that not teaching them would indeed be detrimental, you could consider giving the elder a part time job to help cover things, I suppose. Though obviously that doesn’t help much if you’re having problems with keeping the school funded.
[QUOTE=n00854180t;776137]Probably a good idea.
hard to say positively though. fate vs. destiny and all that.
Indeed, angering the parents wouldn’t benefit anyone. They’ll learn it the same way everyone else does sooner or later anyway.
true.
If their tuition becomes a problem and you feel that not teaching them would indeed be detrimental, you could consider giving the elder a part time job to help cover things, I suppose. Though obviously that doesn’t help much if you’re having problems with keeping the school funded.[/QUOTE]
no it doesn’t help the bills.
but, as long as I’m teaching, I’ll teach those that need to be taught no matter what.
some may see that as, well, I don’t know what. But, I think that is a truth for teachers anywhere…be it a kung fu school, boxing gym, dance school…whatever.
[QUOTE=Oso;776160]no it doesn’t help the bills.
but, as long as I’m teaching, I’ll teach those that need to be taught no matter what.
some may see that as, well, I don’t know what. But, I think that is a truth for teachers anywhere…be it a kung fu school, boxing gym, dance school…whatever.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. At the very least you’ll be instilling these students with some virtue that will help them later in life. I think if they’re inclined to help others out in the same way, and teach (be it kf or whatever) others without reservation, then it’s all worth it.
Agreed. 
Next question: Does anyone offer a couple of day trial before having people sign up for the annual membership?
I offer a free intro, and if I think the person needs it, I will offer a either a few more free classes, or a free week pass. I also have free week passes, which I pass out to my students to give to their friends.
One more body on the floor doesn’t cost you anything, and if it means signing them up, why not? The message it sends to the prospect is that you are NOT a McDojo/Kwoon, but more interested in THEIR well-being, rather than their MONEY.
I have a personal approach when teaching my students, working hands on with them and making sure they are never feeling neglected, or simply another number. The worst thing is having a large class, with the guys in the back row, flopping around like flounders, with the teacher in the front,calling out orders. I have a senior in the front, while I walk around making spot corrections, making sure I hit each and every student. This is what “sells” them on the school and not a slick, fast talking,used car salesman approach.
well, at least this is what feels rightto me. At the end of the day, when I look at my guys, and when I look in the mirror, I need to feel I am doing the right thing.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;777401]I offer a free intro, and if I think the person needs it, I will offer a either a few more free classes, or a free week pass. I also have free week passes, which I pass out to my students to give to their friends.
One more body on the floor doesn’t cost you anything, and if it means signing them up, why not? The message it sends to the prospect is that you are NOT a McDojo/Kwoon, but more interested in THEIR well-being, rather than their MONEY.
[B]Check. I get that idea.
I used to do that but NEVER signed a student up of off a free intro. I Switched to an “Introductory Special” of $65 for the first month including uniform. My feeling is this gave them more time to get a feel for things, put them in the uniform (just pants and shirt) and wasn’t asking for a hunk of change or a long term commitment.[/B]
I have a personal approach when teaching my students, working hands on with them and making sure they are never feeling neglected, or simply another number. The worst thing is having a large class, with the guys in the back row, flopping around like flounders, with the teacher in the front,calling out orders. I have a senior in the front, while I walk around making spot corrections, making sure I hit each and every student. This is what “sells” them on the school and not a slick, fast talking,used car salesman approach.
We don’t have very large classes and our space would only hold 16-18 tops anyway. So, I’m usually mixing in with drills and such anyway. Each students definitely gets some personal input from me every class. Plus, I still spar with every single student I have.
well, at least this is what feels rightto me. At the end of the day, when I look at my guys, and when I look in the mirror, I need to feel I am doing the right thing.[/QUOTE]
me too. up till now I haven’t felt like contracts were the right thing. however, I keep getting the short end of the stick by people who won’t follow through on verbal commitments.