please keep aware of this situation. both the outcome and the ensuing legislation should be of importance to all competitors.
These things are not competitions.They allow people without any training to get a beating in public. There is actually a banalisation of fighting and it’s risks.The fact that the ordinary “Mom” is willing to fight in a ring is a proof in itself.
anyone who knows me knows that it sickens me when people don’t take responsibility for their own actions. there is something terribly wrong with the world when a fata ss decides it’s not completely ludicrous to sue a fast food company.
that said there were 4 deaths in toughman within a couple months of this incident. how many have there been in professional boxing? ever?
I would not call her a ordinary mom. Ordinary moms are not all white trash brawlers who step into toughman rings to slug it out.
Its ignorant as f*ck to let 2 completely untrained people duke it out with apparently lacking refferees…
Those cretins are complete arseholes and should get a near death beating themselves.:mad:
A vast measure of responsiblity has to fall on the people who step into the ring and the waiver that they signed.
Just saying that ordinary moms don’t brawl it out. The ******* had kids.
Yeah!..Everybody is responsable for his/her actions but…Are they well informed in the beginning?..Are they aware that a blow to the head can cause more dammage than anticipated sometimes?..Some people have unknown conditions and a strike without consequences for most will cause a vein rupture in the brain.
As I said earlier, the banalisation of fighting we see today is in cause because …Hey!..It’s cool to spar full contact!.Taking head blows make you tougher, you learn not to freeze when hitted and all that stuff. It can be very dangerous to be hit as it can be very dangerous legally to hit somebody,unless you really have to.
The point is: It is not an uninformed amator business.The pros take their risks as calculated risks.They have to pass medical tests before and after a fight and they will be put out of the game if there is a possible brain/eye whatever risk of severe injury for the future.
Ol’ Jong has taken the correct in his jaws and shaken it like a terrier snapping a rat’s neck.
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Ol’ Jong has taken the correct in his jaws and shaken it like a terrier snapping a rat’s neck.
Hey!..This needs to be immortalised!..I’Ll put this in my signature! 
Does well informed include reading and signing a waiver which states that serious injury and possible death could be the outcome of the match.:rolleyes:
In clear black and white it states the possible outcome of such an event. There is no victim here. She entered the ring of her own free will. The responsibility is her own in the end of the day.
Does that mean that I think Toughman is run as best as it could?
Heck no.
Could there have been ref problems?
Sure.
Could this have been prevented?
Yeah, she could of comprehended the waiver and not stepped into the ring.
I never saw those papers but I’m sure that they have all the small character clauses in order to protect the organiser of these events.
I’m sure also that there must be a lot of brainwashing talking before signing these papers…" hey!..We have a good referee.He will stop the fight the instant he feels there is danger. Or…Nobody can get hurt with those big marshmallows you’re going to wear.Or…See my records?..Nobody died in the last two weeks!..
Does the social contract (see John Locke) indicate that people are not only responsible for their own well being but for the well being of others as well? Yes indeedy-doo!
Its not really a social contract but a waiver of responsibility on the terms of the Toughman corporation in the happenstance of a accidental injury, maiming or death. Same as you sign in many a martial art school but I would wager much more indepth.
The corporation has to provide proper ring side emergency care and other elements of conduct but the choice to enter the ring is yours and your alone. This choice puts the final outcome of responsibility on there own shoulders.
Just like the fatarse who tries to sue macdonalds for getting fat, or smokers who try to sue for getting cancer, or idiots that try to sue gun manufacturers because somebody was shot, or sue a school because there kid is a idiot, its called pass the buck.
I see this as normal evolution.
Stoopid people step into the ring (partly it seems to show other white trash just how ignorant they are) and die.
Now if we keep this up we will breed a sub class of super stupid super tough white trash.
Now we just need to find a use for white trash.
QUOTE]that said there were 4 deaths in toughman within a couple months of this incident. how many have there been in professional boxing? ever?[/QUOTE]
Then its good that a law is being passed that alows only (I assume full contact) events sanctioned by a boxing body?
What can I say?..
I’m sure they could start a big worldwide “Roulette Russe” competition and find enough contestants!..Just sign the waiver ,here on the dotted line please!..:rolleyes:
Those are the days…(Would sing Archie Bunker)
You’re not really familiar with John Locke, are you, Jack?
Pitiful!!!:mad:
Originally posted by GunnedDownAtrocity
that said there were 4 deaths in toughman within a couple months of this incident. how many have there been in professional boxing? ever?
Quite a fair amount, actually. I think the Electronic Journal of Martial Arts and Sciences did an article about deaths in the boxing ring here, with the total being over a thousand (from the clippings mentioned).
Sanctioning bodies help, but frankly any time you step into the ring, you’re taking a calculated risk (as was previously mentioned). There’s also a myriad of reasons why people die in the ring, from accumulated head trauma to dehyrdation to pre-existing medical conditions.
Discuss.
Chang,
Not that familiar, I can not be everywhere at once. It can state the moon is made of green cheese but I still don’t see how a person can take the viewpoint that this “lady” has no responsibility in her actions.
Kinda seems to fall into “the big bad corporation should know better because we all believe that the average person is just to stupid to make there own sound judgements and should be protected from themselves” line of social think.