They should actually require a reading test before the contestant is allowed to read the waiver/contract/whatever. I’m quite sure that the woman in question would not have passed.
being in the third row ringside, i have a pretty strong opinion regarding the events.
recap: the woman turned her back to her opponent when she realized how over-faced she was, then turned back and shook her head “no” to the ref, waiving her hands. he did not stop the fight. the woman turned and walked into the corner, shaking her head and waiving her hands as her oponent landed over ten shots to her unguarded head, both rabbit punches and punches to the sides. she finally turned back to her opponent out of self-preservation, was hit a few more times in the head, and went down.
the promoter skirted the boxing commission by not involving cash prizes. he also tried to get a chiropractor as a ringside doc.
sure, you sign a waiver to get in a cage and swim with sharks too. if the captain decides to open the cage door when the great white is approaching, who becomes responsible? i’m not on a soapbox (yes, i paid my $10 to see the dog-and-pony show), i just feel bad for a family who helplessly watched their mother get pummelled senseless without the intervention of the ref.
the widower is actively approaching all local legislators in an effort to get these events stopped. it will be interesting to see what state legislation arises from this as someone in government takes up the cause for his or her own promotion and gain. even though this does not fall within the jurisdiction of the boxing commission, laws do have a way of sliding sideways. i refer everyone back to recent legislation in NY that effectively stopped competition.
just trying to keep everyone informed, as i think this incident and what arises from it is relevent to all of us in the martial arts. imho.
I’m with Black jack for the most part. You sign a waiver then you are aware of the risks. You didn’t read it, thats not anyones fault but your own. Our legal system needs to start backing this up not supporting stupidity.
Meltdown, you obviously bring up some details that are important to know in this particular case. I can see a lawsuit because the Ref was negligent, obviously since he didn’t stop te fight wen it should have been stopped. In this case I am alright with this but in general, you sign a waiver, as far as I am concerned you have acknowledged the risks of a given activity and are ok with them.
It’s easy to talk tough but ,If it was your wife?..
Originally posted by old jong
It’s easy to talk tough but ,If it was your wife?..
This raises a good point. From what I understand, the husband was trying to get the wife to fight/keep fighting. I doubt he understand the potential implications of a ring fight.
I wouldn’t let my wife get in there. But then I;m trained and I know what can happen.
Add to that the fact that the other girl was apparently a ringer and a professional fighter and it’s not as cuc and dry as “She signed a waiver”
John Locke would choke out Friedrich Nietzche and Ayn Rand both at once.
Originally posted by Water Dragon
This raises a good point. From what I understand, the husband was trying to get the wife to fight/keep fighting. I doubt he understand the potential implications of a ring fight.
i think you’ve misread it. the husband fought earlier and was being treated, he did not yell for his wife to continue. the ref was looking out towards the promotor, and towards another well-known local boxing promoter who was yelling “stop the fight”. apparently the ref was listening to his boss.
I wouldn’t let my wife get in there. But then I;m trained and I know what can happen.
So if that is what your wife wanted to do, consequences or no, she still couldn’t do it?
I hope that works both ways. If it were my wife you can bet I would be grieving, but she signed the waiver and she got into the ring voluntarily. I may go after the ref in this case because he probably should have stopped the fight but if the refereeing were clean then you live with it.
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If it was my wife or even friend for that matter, I would have climbed in the ring myself…
well atleast your enlightened fair and open minded :rolleyes:
Seriously.
wouldnt let the “wife” (dont have one) fight to begin with, but if it got to the point that it did, Id jump in the ring myself. Kick the “ref”'s ass on the way to beat the snot out of the promoter too if she died.
If you remember to act immediately, america has lots of loopholes due to “heat of the moment” type reactions… “temporary insanity” i believe.
:eek:
I guess if my wife really wanted to do something I wouldn’t stop her, espcially since she isn’t stopping me from fighting.
My wife better be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. The mistress is for lookin good.
:eek: !!!
Quite a fair amount, actually. I think the Electronic Journal of Martial Arts and Sciences did an article about deaths in the boxing ring here, with the total being over a thousand (from the clippings mentioned).
ring deaths or pro deaths? but thats not really the point.
i don’t think the toughman should be legally punished unless their reff was negligent (which may be the case by the sounds of it). i completely agree with the sign a waver and go fu ck yourself crowd. my point was simply that it’s becoming apparant that this organization really needs to better monitor their competitors. it might not be a big deal for your local mma tournament, but something as widespread as toughman needs to feel more responsible for the safety of their atheletes.
I have to agree with OJ on the whole matter.
Professionals do this and have the training to do it. Some yutz from the burbs with an attitude and some ego to stroke doesn’t belong in the ring flailing away at each other with 0 training.
It’s an extension of our penchant for voyeurism on so many levels and is yet another shining example of stupidity in society. Waivers or not, this was a dumb decision to make on the woman’s part, on the husbands part and on the promoters part.
This type of thing needs strict regulation not unlike the boxing commisions and federations where there are hard and fast rules about who gets to firght and who they get to fight.
Obviously, the promoter is just preying on human inaneness to fuel the old pockets. And OJ is absolutely correct in his observation of you can talk all the smack and bravado BS you want, but if it was your family member would it be ok? THat’s all it takes to put it into perspective.
May as well go back to roman times.:rolleyes:
regards
What I find interesting, is that no one has even mentioned the other woman’s responsibility. From what I’ve read, she’s done some boxing and had over 5 fights. Every body likes to talk about that Wu De thing, but when it comes up no one mentions the other (trained) fighters moral responsibility.
And that the other fighter continued to hit her after she turned around and tried to walk away.
Sounds like the organisers of the event had a little chat with the “pro” fighter before the show to make it more interesting.
Definately there was no sportsmanship nor fairplay involved, but than what do you expect from a modern “dime/freak” show.
Seeya.
Originally posted by red5angel
I guess if my wife really wanted to do something I wouldn’t stop her, espcially since she isn’t stopping me from fighting.
Fighting and being in the middle of thinking about going from tma to mma is not the same thing.
Anyway,I am happy that there are still normal people in this forum who are against these freakshows.Weaver or not.
im not against them. i just dont want to worry about a friend dying if they decide to enter one day. it’s very rare to hear about someone dying in boxing, mma tourney, ufc, etc. its rare even in other amuature events.
there’s always a risk sure, but 4 deaths in a couple months … somethings fu cked up.