[QUOTE=Drake;1155566]Actually, we’re 2-0 with Iraq. .[/QUOTE]
That’s a win for you?
Send Americans over there to die. Kill civilians. Disrupt the entire nation. Create civil war. Atract Al Queda to a country they weren’t in before… all of that and no WMD.
That’s victory? Fo who?
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1155571]Modern = today.[/QUOTE]
Yet you asked for Pride fighters, too, and Pride is defunct.
Way to move the goal posts.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1155575]That’s a win for you?
Send Americans over there to die. Kill civilians. Disrupt the entire nation. Create civil war. Atract Al Queda to a country they weren’t in before… all of that and no WMD.
That’s victory? Fo who?[/QUOTE]
AQ was in Iraq prior to the invasion.
The WMD thing was discussed ad nauseaum. SH admitted he was bluffing with it. Hindsight assessments are a waste of time. He did everything that would make us believe he had WMDs, including hiding documents, barring UN inspectors from locations, and firing up suspected biowarfare locations. I saw the imagery. He was up to no good.
You are one of those revisionists who think life was AWESOME under SH. Try asking an Iraqi how great life was under him.
Maybe if SH didn’t invade Kuwait, none of this never would have happened. Or cooperated with UN weapons inspectors. Or not violate the no-fly zone. Or not blatantly defy UN regulations.
Life must be easy in a world where the most difficult decision is whether or not you want whipped cream on your frappucino, and you can stroke your own ego by revising history and invoking the omnipotent power of hindsight.
Modern fighting is best executed with guns. Anything else is just a fun hobby.
Pina…
tell us why anyone should listen to a NON CHAMPION about fighting? the only thing is is more experienced in is losing.
[QUOTE=Drake;1155579]1. AQ was in Iraq prior to the invasion.
You are one of those revisionists who think life was AWESOME under SH. Try asking an Iraqi how great life was under him.
Maybe if SH didn’t invade Kuwait, none of this never would have happened. Or cooperated with UN weapons inspectors. Or not violate the no-fly zone. Or not blatantly defy UN regulations.
Life must be easy in a world where the most difficult decision is whether or not you want whipped cream on your frappucino, and you can stroke your own ego by revising history and invoking the omnipotent power of hindsight.[/QUOTE]
LOL! Not to digress, but everyone pretty much knows by now that the WMD was a false flag so Bush and the Neocons could try to create a “new” Middle East, establishing a democracy that would spur a “domino” effect of change throughout the region.
It is pointless to argue with Ray.
He is just indulging his monthly exercise in sophistry to ameliorate the accumulated remorse and shame that accompanies the study of Wing Chun.
No matter how many examples you give him of competitive Chinese martial arts and artists he is just going to keep clinging to the solipsism that kung fu is composed entirely of Lion Dance and senior citizen Tai Tchwee.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1155583]LOL! Not to digress, but everyone pretty much knows by now that the WMD was a false flag so Bush and the Neocons could try to create a “new” Middle East, establishing a democracy that would spur a “domino” effect of change throughout the region.[/QUOTE]
Actually, we (the intel community) provided the recommendations. Nobody told us “Hey, make it look like this and this is happening”. SH pulled off one hell of a bluff. I worked this stuff in the early 2000’s…
Not to say Bush didn’t have a serious axe to grind with Iraq, and not to say he didn’t make some stupid decisions and make some stupid statements… I’m just saying it was more complex than one guy wanting to create a democratic middle east. We all mixed our own kool-aid and drank it.
And while this is my own assessment, I believe it had a lot more to do with a personal issue, as well as a reckless Texan mentality which failed to envision second and third order effects, topped off with George Tenet, who provided blatantly inaccurate data to Bush.
Take a middle to lower level intelligence guy, give him bad info about a guy who tried to kill his dad, and then add a remarkably elaborate bluff by SH… see what happens.
I think most people would prefer to believe in an orchestrated scheme masterminded by brilliant plotters in DC than accept that what really happened looked much like a clown car with two flat tires.
Like people believing in a god because the chaos and utter unpredictability of life is much more unpleasant to swallow.
[QUOTE=Drake;1155586]I think most people would prefer to believe in an orchestrated scheme masterminded by brilliant plotters in DC than accept that what really happened looked much like a clown car with two flat tires.[/QUOTE]
How about an orchestrated clown car on fire with two flat tires?
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;1155571]Modern = today.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=wenshu;1155585]It is pointless to argue with Ray.
He is just indulging his monthly exercise in sophistry to ameliorate the accumulated remorse and shame that accompanies the study of Wing Chun.
No matter how many examples you give him of competitive Chinese martial arts and artists he is just going to keep clinging to the solipsism that kung fu is composed entirely of Lion Dance and senior citizen Tai Tchwee.[/QUOTE]
Your posts make my brain hurt…
I’m not sure if I should actually google half of the stuff you say or just refuse to do so on principle.
It is pointless to argue with Ray.
He is just indulging his monthly exercise in sophistry to ameliorate the accumulated remorse and shame that accompanies the study of Wing Chun.
No matter how many examples you give him of competitive Chinese martial arts and artists he is just going to keep clinging to the solipsism that kung fu is composed entirely of Lion Dance and senior citizen Tai Tchwee.
I second that. 
whats funny is every time he asks for ‘proof’ i put up some names and never once has he responded to my posts showing cma fighters that are fullfilling his demands. :rolleyes:
This is all a bit funny, annoying but funny, to me because Kung Fu seems to attract a different mindset IMHO. Not everyone cares to fight in public events.
Some guys love to go to the big tournaments and compete in front of a crowd and others rather stay to themselves and compete “out of the spotlight”. Others would rather fight in a club parking lot. I don’t think skill has much bearing on where people fight. Especially since these MMA events are relatively new.
Until recently making a living as a fighter was something completely different. You were a bouncer, bodyguard, LEO, military etc. Or backroom bare-knuckle fighter. Or you could be a hitman for the mob.
Seems to me most CMA guys are in it for personal growth and self defense, not to compete and get ranked by a governing body in sanctioned events. That might be an attraction for the MMA crowd like Ray but I have no interest in it at all.
Competition is fun, fighting is fun but my main concern is dealing with the crap in society and I enjoy working out and training with others. I like the “art” in “martial arts”, not beating someone down or just “winning”.
Seems to me someone into fighting arts would study all that’s out there, not just what is needed to win a competition. And seriously that’s what MMA is about. You think they don’t train to take advantage of the “rules”? I’ve seen some pretty sad “fights” by “top fighters” that just wanted a win.
whats funny is every time he asks for ‘proof’ i put up some names and never once has he responded to my posts showing cma fighters that are fullfilling his demands.
i’ve also shown videos and he’s ignored them as well as they were detrimental to his argument.
I predict CMA will show up in the UFC little by little as time goes on. I’m seeing it already in some of the newer fighters dominating their division. They’re going beyond the standard and fighting “different”. And when they do something that’s taught in most strip mall Karate schools the commentators drool.
Who was it that, in a recent UFC (141?), knocked his opponent out with a spinning heel kick (wheel kick)? The crowd went wild and Joe Rogan drooled.
Spinning backfists, BJ Penn’s flexibility stuffing takedowns (common in any TMA school). What’s with all the hammerfists and where did they come from?
You can only do the same stuff for so long. How boring (and the UFC is entertinment) are fights with 2 guys doing the same basic stuff over and over?
[QUOTE=JamesC;1155590]Your posts make my brain hurt…
I’m not sure if I should actually google half of the stuff you say or just refuse to do so on principle.[/QUOTE]
Most of the time it’s nonsense. Just the vanity of listening to myself chew on fifty cent words.
now masterkiller, that image you posted is far more interesting that any redundant conversation coming from Ray Pina…LMAO…
**** i love as$…
