[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1046947]mysterious power
Im really sick of this back and forth stuff, you make assumptions and have drawn a conclusion that is incomplete.
Dale is willing to prove you wrong and you wont accept it? Then you ned to shut up and stop posting until you at least have a better understanding.
If you challenge someone and he accepts but you dont want to take the time to drive there then your all talk and cant be taken seriously, we call that a p u s sy[/QUOTE]
Option 1: I have a better idea to help you deal with your issue of not liking my posts. You should just block me like you did to knifefighter and like David Jameson did to me. That way you can avoid your stress and live in your happy bubble. This forum is just like real life in a way. Either run away from it(block/ignore) or put up and deal with it head on. We all have this option. Its called freedom. Choose to use it or stfu.
Option 2: I am sorry you are offended. You have stated that you have had street fighting experience, sparring, multiple mantis style training, shuai jiao throwing…read Dale’s ad again. Read it from the part of your brain that absorbed all the years of practical martial arts. Leave your anger at the door. Be objective. And then come back on here.
[QUOTE=Dale Dugas;1046930]funny that the two people who are braying the loudest want to talk about sparring.
Sparring has rules, pads, and IMHO teaches bad habits as one gets used to having protective gear on.
You will not have rules, pads, etc on the street. And one should be able to fight without said gear.
People should hit things with unwrapped hands to see what its like. Many of these young people think they will be punching someone in the head with an ungloved hand and will come out unscathed.[/QUOTE]
Please show one single video clip of you fighting full contact without gear.
For over 150 years, every time someone has made the above argument and then tested themselves against the sport model, they have come up short.
People (and styles) that do tons of demos with complying partners and have zero evidence of them (or their students) doing full contact against resisting opponents generally DON’T have skills.
If anyone should know this, it is you.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046937]I can’t argue with you on that.[/QUOTE]
You and I also know that the same thing applies to the people who make the statement about sparring with gear being inferior to their “street without rules” training.
Speaking of “d3adly str33t” techniques, remember this classic oldie-but-goodie of the 250lb kung fu “master” who was making the same claims and then got his @ss handed to him by a 150lb BJJ blue belt:
The most ironic part was where he was lying helpless on the ground saying “I’m going to kill you.” So much for 35 years of deadly street training without gear.
Here’s a quick observation about how things often play out on the internet
Someone disputed the date that a certain book was published, when I pointed out that they were wrong, they challenged me to a fight. Well, obvious issue here, whether you can beat me up or not doesn’t mean you are right about the date the book was published. See?
If you claim you can shoot chi balls out your butt, and someone says, “well come down and fight” and they beat you up with boxing, how does that prove you can shoot said chi balls?
Lots of stuff in TCMA is like this, skills aside, TCMA frequently gets mired down in very questionable claims and “strange” (I am being kind here) practices…
I like Dale Dugas, I’ve said good things about Painter’s bagua in the past, even mentioning how he tied in knots a certain “big name” Chinese sifu.
But let’s be honest here, there are other things Painter does and/or has been inolved in which asking questions about is not a sin
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;1047022]Here’s a quick observation about how things often play out on the internet
Someone disputed the date that a certain book was published, when I pointed out that they were wrong, they challenged me to a fight. Well, obvious issue here, whether you can beat me up or not doesn’t mean you are right about the date the book was published. See?
If you claim you can shoot chi balls out your butt, and someone says, “well come down and fight” and they beat you up with boxing, how does that prove you can shoot said chi balls?
Lots of stuff in TCMA is like this, skills aside, TCMA frequently gets mired down in very questionable claims and “strange” (I am being kind here) practices…
I like Dale Dugas, I’ve said good things about Painter’s bagua in the past, even mentioning how he tied in knots a certain “big name” Chinese sifu.
But let’s be honest here, there are other things Painter does and/or has been inolved in which asking questions about is not a sin[/QUOTE]
David Ross as the voice of reason…have we really come to this?!:eek::eek:
But let’s be honest here, there are other things Painter does and/or has been inolved in which asking questions about is not a sin
Quite right and that is why I said that MP question was correct and that one should indeed question when claims are made.
That said, the only way MP is going to have his questioned answered is by meeting up with them.
Like you said, TCMA is full of this stuff, grandios claims that are nothing more than marketing but they are not alone, my beloved kyokushin had them with Oyama, Goju had them with Miyagi, fact is, I think every MA, to some extent had them ( Rickson 400-0, Mifune never being thrown, etc, etc).
when I pointed out that they were wrong, they challenged me to a fight. Well, obvious issue here, whether you can beat me up or not doesn’t mean you are right
I thought it was a “friendly” sparring match? And I thought the guy was off his meds. for a period of time. My bad thought you were talking of someone else
Option 1: I have a better idea to help you deal with your issue of not liking my posts. You should just block me like you did to knifefighter and like David Jameson did to me. That way you can avoid your stress and live in your happy bubble.
Option 2: I am sorry you are offended. You have stated that you have had street fighting experience, sparring, multiple mantis style training, shuai jiao throwing…read Dale’s ad again. Read it from the part of your brain that absorbed all the years of practical martial arts. Leave your anger at the door. Be objective. And then come back on here.
you are not offending me at all and you have never went out of your way and made a rude comment about me as kniffighter has so there no need to block you,
that being said YOU purposly went out of YOUR way to dicredit someone before you knew the truth. This is wrong whether you agree with me or not, so Dale offered to prove it to you and you make up excuses why you can go.
So in my book thats like a challenge and you are afraid to go! dont blame it on travel expenses if it means that much to you that he cant do it then just ignore it dont log onto the internet to prove you point when you got a way to prove it and you chickened out
